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re: Solve this OT

Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:10 pm to
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:10 pm to
You are right. I thought two variables not three. I got it wrong and fricked up.

Lol
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:12 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:14 pm to
quote:

the OT wants to continue figuring odds, what are the chances you open 24/26 cases and are left with 1 penny and 1 mil.


First you've got to chose 1 penny or 1 million, which has a chance of 2/26. Then you have to chose 24/25 remaining cases "correctly". Your first pick is 24/25 chance of being good. The next pick is 23/24, etc. You multiply all of those chances and you get 24!/25!, which is 1/25.

I'd say the chances are (2/26)*(1/25), or roughly .3%.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:16 pm to

This is incredible.
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

This is incredible.


FWIW, we've only discussed the problem in the OP for about 15 pages.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:20 pm to
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Only if you know the host has to pick non mil cases. That's key because then it's not random. Keeping it random means monty hall doesn't apply.


If you end up with a $1 case and a $1MM case, what difference does it make if the host threw away non-winners or you just lucked the frick out and happened to throw away non-winners? Nothing happens during those rounds but throwing cases away. If the host throws away trash cases, that just rigidly sets the odds in the final showdown. If you randomly toss the cases one by one, the chances are constantly shifting, but each time you DON'T throw out the $1MM case it comes closer and closer to the game where the host throws out non-winners. By the time you get to the end, it's exactly the same as if the host had thrown out cases he knew were not winners, the only difference is that you just got there by luck. At any point, you could have thrown away the million and that is a different game. But you didn't throw out the million, so it's the same game.

Regardless of who selected the cases to be thrown out, if you choose one case at the outset, there's a 1/26 chance your case had the million and a 25/26 chance the million was in the other 25 cases. If the million is still in play at the end, how you got there is inconsequential. The other cases still had a 25/26 chance of having the million.

EDIT: Yeah, I fricked this one up. Point and laugh.
This post was edited on 7/24/18 at 5:10 pm
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:22 pm to

67% is now added to the lexicon joining 288 and 350.
Posted by TheMailman
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:22 pm to
ok

eta: answer me this big timer .. you have to cases left $1 and $1,000,000 .. you are saying that you have 1/26 chance of having the $1,000,000



ok


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wait for it





its





coming





what are your odds that you have the $1 case


This post was edited on 7/24/18 at 4:26 pm
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:25 pm to
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ok



You're a fricking idiot. You're just too stupid to know you're stupid.
Posted by CptRusty
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:25 pm to
quote:

If the million is still in play at the end, how you got there is inconsequential.



Although correct, the "how you got there" is important to the statement of the problem.

If one of the last two cases is guaranteed to be the $1MM, then the odds are as you describe.

If you choose a case, then 24 truly random cases are eliminated, the odds of either case being the $1MM are 1/13.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88424 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:25 pm to
You are welcome to google why you are wrong on this one.

This link has the math

In a true monty Hall, the host ALWAYS opens the door with a goat. That isn’t the case here.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88424 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:27 pm to
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You're just too stupid to know you're stupid.
Yikes. Considering you are wrong on this one. Bad timing.
Posted by TheMailman
Member since Jul 2017
1550 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:27 pm to
if you have a 1/26 chance of having the million - what are your odds of having the $1 case


ITS THE SAME ODDS BTW
This post was edited on 7/24/18 at 4:28 pm
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:27 pm to
quote:

Although correct, the "how you got there" is important to the statement of the problem.

I skipped the middle part because we were talking about the case where we end up with the million and a lesser prize. I admit that if you look at the game in the middle, it's all different.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91873 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:29 pm to
quote:

Regardless of who selected the cases to be thrown out, if you choose one case at the outset, there's a 1/26 chance your case had the million and a 25/26 chance the million was in the other 25 cases. If the million is still in play at the end, how you got there is inconsequential. The other cases still had a 25/26 chance of having the million.


Because the host could have been lucky.

I once thought like you with regards to Monty Hall - I didn't understand why it mattered if he knew or got lucky - but I do now.

I know it seems counterintuitive, but how you arrived at the $1 case and $1MM case matters. If he was lucky, switching doesn't matter. If you were ALWAYS going to end up with $1MM in one of the two unopened cases, you should always switch.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:29 pm to
quote:

if you have a 1/26 chance of having the million - what are your odds of having the $1 case


ITS THE SAME ODDS BTW


If your chances of having the million case is 1/26, what are your chances of having any other case less than a million?

You're the perfect contestant for a game show like this. Their money's safe. You're going to go home with $100 and a case of Turtle Wax and some other lovely parting gifts.
Posted by Fe_Mike
Member since Jul 2015
3885 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:33 pm to
I believe you are the idiot. If the contestant is picking two cases to be there at the end, and the contestant picks which cases are eliminated up until the end, and the contentant can pick whichever case they want to keep they have a 50/50 shot of picking the right one.
Posted by TheMailman
Member since Jul 2017
1550 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:33 pm to
quote:

If your chances of having the million case is 1/26, what are your chances of having any other case less than a million?


There are only two cases left ??? $1,000,000 and $1


at the start of the game I had an 1/26 chance of picking the $1,000,000 and a 1/26 chance of picking $1 …

odds are the same at the end with two cases left
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88424 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:36 pm to
The key here is that you don’t know what you picked first. And you aren’t guaranteed that every opened subsequent case doesn’t contain 1 mil until 2 are left. That’s the key. With no guarantee, the 1 mill case could be anywhere and as you open them, the percentages distribute evenly among the remaining cases. If there are 2 left, given the randomness, it’s 50/50 for the two remaining values.
Posted by Fe_Mike
Member since Jul 2015
3885 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:40 pm to
The odds of flipping a coin in getting heads 10 times in a row is very small. If I flip a coin nine times in a row and get heads every time are you telling me I should pick tails for the 10th flip because the odds for it are much greater since at the beginning of the 10 flips the odds for 10 heads in a row were very small?
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