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re: Solve this OT

Posted on 7/24/18 at 3:49 pm to
Posted by Scooba
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 3:49 pm to
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so that people somehow definitely got to the last two



IIRC that rarely happened. It was more likely people either took the deal or opened the higher value cases well before getting down to two cases.

If the OT wants to continue figuring odds, what are the chances you open 24/26 cases and are left with 1 penny and 1 mil.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 3:49 pm to
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well if all the boxes were picked at random and you get to the end with two boxes IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IF YOU SWITCH
Gotcha. Yeah, the randomness changes it.
Posted by TheMailman
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 3:49 pm to
I agree .. but it was stated that you should always switch cases and that makes zero sense.


there is a 1/26 chance at the start that you picked the million dollar case .. or a 25/26 chance you didn't pick it .. If you pick the cases one by one and get down to the end and the million dollar case is still in play - there is a 50% chance you have it and a 50% chance you don't.
This post was edited on 7/24/18 at 3:51 pm
Posted by Fe_Mike
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 3:56 pm to
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so if you randomly throw away each briefcase until there are two remaining...then there's a 50% chance that one of the remaining briefcases has the $1MM?


So I may be jumping the gun on this analysis but actually I think Mailman is correct in this instance.

The format in which the unknowns are eliminated, assuming you have the 'option to switch' at the end, matters. Because what is essentially happening, is you are picking two briefcases in the beginning. The one you announce, and the one you decide will be the last one opened. The fact that the 24 briefcases are opened one at a time or all at once doesn't matter.

You've got a 1 in 26 chance of picking the right briefcase, that's all there is to this problem. If my lucky number is 4, and I pick 16 instead with the intention of making 4 my second to last briefcase because I think that will somehow increase my odds by being able to switch to 4 with two cases left, that's just ignint. I still determined that 4 was going to be 'my case' in the beginning.

Now, if an omnipotent person was eliminating briefcases and you KNEW only the non-winners would be eliminated first then yes, you obviously switch. But that isn't the case.
Posted by LCA131
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 3:57 pm to
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the OT wants to continue figuring odds, what are the chances you open 24/26 cases and are left with 1 penny and 1 mil.


I had all off this figured out when this d-bag walked up and did a magic trick and tore it up....

Last I saw it was rolling across the parking lot in shreds.

I think I came up with 6 miles an hour though.
Posted by Scooba
Member since Jun 2013
20027 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 3:58 pm to
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If you pick the cases one by one and get down to the end and the million dollar case is still in play - there is a 50% chance you have it and a 50% chance you don't.


If the 1 Mil is still in play you should switch. It's the equivalent of you having 1 gold ball. Knowing the mil is still available and that your first pick was 1/26, you should switch.
Posted by TheMailman
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:00 pm to
it wont improve your odds if you switch
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88424 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:00 pm to
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Knowing the mil is still available and that your first pick was 1/26, you should switch.
Only if you know the host has to pick non mil cases. That's key because then it's not random. Keeping it random means monty hall doesn't apply.
Posted by CptRusty
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:00 pm to
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and the million dollar case is still in play


this makes a big difference, and would suggest that the elimination of the other cases was not random as described.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74884 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:00 pm to
This seems too easy.
If it's box 1 then 100% box two after grabbing gold, 0%
Can't be box three.

100+0=100/2=50

50%


This is wrong.

Three variables not two
This post was edited on 7/24/18 at 4:11 pm
Posted by Scooba
Member since Jun 2013
20027 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:01 pm to
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100+0=100/2=50

50%


Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88424 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:02 pm to
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would suggest that the elimination of the other cases was not random as described.
That's the thing. It would happen so rarely (4% I think or less).
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88424 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

This seems too easy.
If it's box 1 then 100% box two after grabbing gold, 0%
Can't be box three.

100+0=100/2=50

50%
Nope.
Posted by Scooba
Member since Jun 2013
20027 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:04 pm to
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That's key because then it's not random.


I guess the odds would be, can you pick 24/26 wrong cases vs 25/26 wrong cases in a row.
This post was edited on 7/24/18 at 4:04 pm
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74884 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:04 pm to
Yep. I showed my work.
. Show yours.

Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91873 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:05 pm to
quote:

This seems too easy. If it's box 1 then 100% box two after grabbing gold, 0% Can't be box three.


You're doing so well...

quote:

100+0=100/2=50 50%


Oh no, crash and burn.

Your gold ball was one of 3 possible gold balls you could have chosen. Two of them have the probability of the next ball being gold at 100%, one has a 0% probability of the next ball being gold. (2*100%+1*0%)/3 = 67%
Posted by slackster
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:06 pm to
quote:

I agree .. but it was stated that you should always switch cases and that makes zero sense. there is a 1/26 chance at the start that you picked the million dollar case .. or a 25/26 chance you didn't pick it .. If you pick the cases one by one and get down to the end and the million dollar case is still in play - there is a 50% chance you have it and a 50% chance you don't.


You all weren't paying attention to my original hypothetical - the host KNOWS which case has $1MM and cannot select that case to discard it.

That's the key part.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88424 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:08 pm to
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Yep. I showed my work.
. Show yours.
I've done it 100 times. Computer programs have done it. You have a 67% chance of pulling a gold ball from the box with 2 gold balls (since you know you grabbed one).

3 gold balls in play. 2/3 chance you pull from 1 box. 1/3 chance from box 2.

This goes for either color. If you pick a random box and pull a random ball, there's a 67% chance you picked the box with two of the same color.
Posted by Fe_Mike
Member since Jul 2015
3885 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:09 pm to
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That's the thing. It would happen so rarely (4% I think or less).


8%, theoretically.

If you 'decide' on your 2 last cases at the beginning, you've got a 1/13 chance that one of them is the million. So you'll get down to 2 cases ~8% of the time.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74884 posts
Posted on 7/24/18 at 4:09 pm to
shite three variables not two.

My bad.
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