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Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:55 am to castorinho
quote:Not really. It's an intentional paradox with mathmatical arguments for both. It's intentional presented that way.
This is pretty straight forward with no gotcha or ambiguity
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:56 am to TheCaterpillar
Wrong. The answer is 2/3. Look it up. This is an old problem just like the Monty Hall one.
quote:
Bertrand’s box paradox.
It may seem that the probability that the remaining coin is gold is 1/2, but in truth, the probability is actually 2/3. If a gold coin was withdrawn in the first step, it is more likely that this happens because the chosen box is number 1 (the box with two gold coins) than box number 3 (the box with one coin of each type).
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 9:57 am
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:56 am to 50_Tiger
quote:
How can you say this? You cannot look into the boxes.
Because the question tells tou one box had 2 gold, one 2 silver and one a gold and silver.
If you pick gold, you know 100% that the box does not ahve 2 silver,so that box can be eliminated.
You are left with 3 balls and you KNOW 2 are gold and one is silver. The question tells you that
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:56 am to TH03
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:57 am to 50_Tiger
66.7% .It’s a variation of the Monty Hall problem.
The trick is that they gave you part of the answer already, which is that you selected a gold ball. Knowing that, you know you selected either box #1 or box #2. But given that box #2 has only one gold ball, the gold ball you selected more likely came from box #1 which is why you now have a greater than 50% chance of selecting another gold ball.
In other words, knowing that you have a gold ball already, there are three possible outcomes:
1) Pick up gold ball #2 (1st box, you’re already holding ball #1)
2) Pick up gold ball #1 (1st box, you’re already holding ball #2)
3) Pick up silver ball (2nd box, you’re holding the gold one).
2 of those 3 possibilities mean you’re picking up a gold ball. Hence, 2/3 = 66.%
The trick is that they gave you part of the answer already, which is that you selected a gold ball. Knowing that, you know you selected either box #1 or box #2. But given that box #2 has only one gold ball, the gold ball you selected more likely came from box #1 which is why you now have a greater than 50% chance of selecting another gold ball.
In other words, knowing that you have a gold ball already, there are three possible outcomes:
1) Pick up gold ball #2 (1st box, you’re already holding ball #1)
2) Pick up gold ball #1 (1st box, you’re already holding ball #2)
3) Pick up silver ball (2nd box, you’re holding the gold one).
2 of those 3 possibilities mean you’re picking up a gold ball. Hence, 2/3 = 66.%
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:58 am to 50_Tiger
The 3rd box of 2 silver balls and picking at random is just a distraction.
The only two boxes that matter are the ones with gold.
So it's a simple answer. Probability is 1 in 2.
The only two boxes that matter are the ones with gold.
So it's a simple answer. Probability is 1 in 2.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:59 am to ell_13
Nah Cold Drink explains it perfectly.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:59 am to Cold Drink
quote:No it's not because you aren't asked to change boxes. You are picking from the same box.
66.7% .It’s a variation of the Monty Hall problem.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:59 am to memphis tiger
Whichever box you originally selected from is the box you're selecting from the second time.
So you're stuck with that one box. Correct?
You know it isn't the 2 silver box. That box is gone.
So of the 2 remaining, after having selected a gold ball, the second ball would either be a gold from box 1 or a silver from box 2.
Right?
So you're stuck with that one box. Correct?
You know it isn't the 2 silver box. That box is gone.
So of the 2 remaining, after having selected a gold ball, the second ball would either be a gold from box 1 or a silver from box 2.
Right?
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:59 am to guedeaux
quote:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
You have a gold ball in your hand, so the box either has 1 gold ball or 1 silver ball left in it. 50% chance.
The question isn't asking what collor the remaning ball in the box is. If that were the question, yes its 50% gold 50% silver. BUT THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION.
The question is what are the odds the the next ball you pick is gold. You know of the 3 balls, 2 are gold and one is silver so without knowing what box you have, its 2/3 or 67% odds that the remaining ball is gold.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:59 am to ell_13
quote:
The 3rd box of 2 silver balls and picking at random is just a distraction.
The only two boxes that matter are the ones with gold.
Correct.
quote:
So it's a simple answer. Probability is 1 in 2.
Wrong.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:59 am to 50_Tiger
It's not the box paradox or the Monty hall because this question specifically states your second draw HAS to come from the same box as the first draw ...
So you are stuck with the odds that you had at the start which is 1/3.
So you are stuck with the odds that you had at the start which is 1/3.
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 10:02 am
Posted on 7/23/18 at 10:00 am to TheCaterpillar
3 balls left. 2 are gold. 2/3. It’s fairly simple, guys.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 10:00 am to Cold Drink
quote:
66.7% .It’s a variation of the Monty Hall problem.
The trick is that they gave you part of the answer already, which is that you selected a gold ball. Knowing that, you know you selected either box #1 or box #2. But given that box #2 has two gold balls, you were more likely to have selected one of those in box #1 which is why you have a greater than 50% chance of selecting another gold ball.
In other words, knowing that you have a gold ball already, there are three possible outcomes:
1) Pick up gold ball #2 (1st box, you’re already holding ball #1)
2) Pick up gold ball #1 (1st box, you’re already holding ball #2)
3) Pick up silver ball (2nd box, you’re holding the gold one).
2 of those 3 possibilities mean you’re picking up a gold ball. Hence, 2/3 = 66.%
Ok this makes sense. I'm wrong.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 10:00 am to TheMailman
quote:
It's not the box paradox or the Monty hall because this question specifically states your second draw HAS to come from the same box as the first draw ...
Whoops that is true haha.
So it is 50%
You have only two outcomes
1) G then G
2) G then S
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 10:02 am
Posted on 7/23/18 at 10:01 am to TheMailman
quote:
It's not the box paradox
It’s the exact same wording.
quote:
There are three boxes:
a box containing two gold coins,
a box containing two silver coins,
a box containing one gold coin and a silver coin.
The 'paradox' is in the probability, after choosing a box at random and withdrawing one coin at random, if that happens to be a gold coin, of the next coin drawn from the same box also being a gold coin.
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 10:01 am
Posted on 7/23/18 at 10:01 am to 50_Tiger
quote:It's a trick question then. Because the 3rd box is either relevant or it's not. When you ALWAYS get a gold ball, then how is the 3rd one relevant?
Nah Cold Drink explains it perfectly.
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