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Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:55 am to
Posted by TheMailman
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:55 am to
Everybody is wrong. Basically the question is asking what are the chances you picked the box with two gold balls from the start.

So the answer is 1/3 or 33%.
Posted by PearlJam
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:55 am to
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This is pretty straight forward with no gotcha or ambiguity

Not really. It's an intentional paradox with mathmatical arguments for both. It's intentional presented that way.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:56 am to
Wrong. The answer is 2/3. Look it up. This is an old problem just like the Monty Hall one.

quote:

Bertrand’s box paradox.

It may seem that the probability that the remaining coin is gold is 1/2, but in truth, the probability is actually 2/3. If a gold coin was withdrawn in the first step, it is more likely that this happens because the chosen box is number 1 (the box with two gold coins) than box number 3 (the box with one coin of each type).
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 9:57 am
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:56 am to
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How can you say this? You cannot look into the boxes.


Because the question tells tou one box had 2 gold, one 2 silver and one a gold and silver.

If you pick gold, you know 100% that the box does not ahve 2 silver,so that box can be eliminated.

You are left with 3 balls and you KNOW 2 are gold and one is silver. The question tells you that
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43534 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:56 am to
Betrands Box Paradox.

It is 2/3


LINK
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 9:58 am
Posted by Cold Drink
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:57 am to
66.7% .It’s a variation of the Monty Hall problem.

The trick is that they gave you part of the answer already, which is that you selected a gold ball. Knowing that, you know you selected either box #1 or box #2. But given that box #2 has only one gold ball, the gold ball you selected more likely came from box #1 which is why you now have a greater than 50% chance of selecting another gold ball.

In other words, knowing that you have a gold ball already, there are three possible outcomes:

1) Pick up gold ball #2 (1st box, you’re already holding ball #1)
2) Pick up gold ball #1 (1st box, you’re already holding ball #2)
3) Pick up silver ball (2nd box, you’re holding the gold one).


2 of those 3 possibilities mean you’re picking up a gold ball. Hence, 2/3 = 66.%
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 12:29 pm
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88424 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:58 am to
The 3rd box of 2 silver balls and picking at random is just a distraction.

The only two boxes that matter are the ones with gold.

So it's a simple answer. Probability is 1 in 2.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:59 am to
Nah Cold Drink explains it perfectly.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:59 am to
quote:

66.7% .It’s a variation of the Monty Hall problem.
No it's not because you aren't asked to change boxes. You are picking from the same box.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:59 am to
Whichever box you originally selected from is the box you're selecting from the second time.

So you're stuck with that one box. Correct?

You know it isn't the 2 silver box. That box is gone.

So of the 2 remaining, after having selected a gold ball, the second ball would either be a gold from box 1 or a silver from box 2.

Right?
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:59 am to
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

You have a gold ball in your hand, so the box either has 1 gold ball or 1 silver ball left in it. 50% chance.


The question isn't asking what collor the remaning ball in the box is. If that were the question, yes its 50% gold 50% silver. BUT THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION.

The question is what are the odds the the next ball you pick is gold. You know of the 3 balls, 2 are gold and one is silver so without knowing what box you have, its 2/3 or 67% odds that the remaining ball is gold.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:59 am to
quote:

The 3rd box of 2 silver balls and picking at random is just a distraction.

The only two boxes that matter are the ones with gold.


Correct.

quote:

So it's a simple answer. Probability is 1 in 2.


Wrong.
Posted by TheMailman
Member since Jul 2017
1550 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:59 am to
It's not the box paradox or the Monty hall because this question specifically states your second draw HAS to come from the same box as the first draw ...

So you are stuck with the odds that you had at the start which is 1/3.
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 10:02 am
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:59 am to

20%
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 10:00 am to
3 balls left. 2 are gold. 2/3. It’s fairly simple, guys.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 10:00 am to
Tree fiddy
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 10:00 am to
quote:

66.7% .It’s a variation of the Monty Hall problem.

The trick is that they gave you part of the answer already, which is that you selected a gold ball. Knowing that, you know you selected either box #1 or box #2. But given that box #2 has two gold balls, you were more likely to have selected one of those in box #1 which is why you have a greater than 50% chance of selecting another gold ball.

In other words, knowing that you have a gold ball already, there are three possible outcomes:

1) Pick up gold ball #2 (1st box, you’re already holding ball #1)
2) Pick up gold ball #1 (1st box, you’re already holding ball #2)
3) Pick up silver ball (2nd box, you’re holding the gold one).


2 of those 3 possibilities mean you’re picking up a gold ball. Hence, 2/3 = 66.%


Ok this makes sense. I'm wrong.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43534 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 10:00 am to
quote:

It's not the box paradox or the Monty hall because this question specifically states your second draw HAS to come from the same box as the first draw ...


Whoops that is true haha.

So it is 50%

You have only two outcomes

1) G then G
2) G then S
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 10:02 am
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 10:01 am to
quote:

It's not the box paradox


It’s the exact same wording.

quote:

There are three boxes:

a box containing two gold coins,
a box containing two silver coins,
a box containing one gold coin and a silver coin.
The 'paradox' is in the probability, after choosing a box at random and withdrawing one coin at random, if that happens to be a gold coin, of the next coin drawn from the same box also being a gold coin.
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 10:01 am
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88424 posts
Posted on 7/23/18 at 10:01 am to
quote:

Nah Cold Drink explains it perfectly.
It's a trick question then. Because the 3rd box is either relevant or it's not. When you ALWAYS get a gold ball, then how is the 3rd one relevant?
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