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re: Social distancing and wearing masks

Posted on 4/24/20 at 4:49 pm to
Posted by PearlJam
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Posted on 4/24/20 at 4:49 pm to
Heard immunity isn't a new concept. However, allowing a novel disease showing significant mortality to run rampant without good data on what will happen in an attempt to achieve heard immunity is a dangerous strategy. It may be the right one, but it isn't a clear choice.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
11777 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 4:49 pm to
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Is the low value of them possible protecting a sneeze or cough not heavily outweighed by increasing face touching by a large factor?


I would argue that the increased face touching becomes less dangerous if everyone is wearing a mask in public because the spread of germs would be significantly reduced therefore lessening the likelihood that each touch would carry the virus.

Also if a person contracts the virus cuz they are repeatedly touching their mask, the mask would stop them from spreading it to the next person.

Basically everyone keeping their sneezes and coughs to themselves would keep the germs from being on public surfaces to begin with.

Edit: I hope it doesn't seem like i think your argument is dumb cuz i don't. you have good points, i just think that saying masks hold no value is incorrect.
This post was edited on 4/24/20 at 4:54 pm
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 4/24/20 at 4:52 pm to
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Basically everyone keeping their sneezes and coughs to themselves would keep the germs from being on public surfaces to begin with.
not with all of the germs on their hands from touching their face.

There may be some value. I'm just very skeptical based on behavior I see and, frankly, how I know I would behave with a mask.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
11777 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 4:53 pm to
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There may be some value.


My whole point
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 4:53 pm to
Well, I said that initially.

Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
65166 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 4:56 pm to
I fell asleep in my office chair this morning. Corona ain't got shite on the neck pain I got.
Posted by BayouTiger71
Pineville, LA
Member since Dec 2004
157 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 5:49 pm to
Are you a Texas Aggie since I see you are a Houston Astros fan? If true, I understand your ignorant post; it is well documented by medical professionals that face masks do not necessarily protect the wearers but will protect others in case these boomers have covid-19 and cough.

I am one of those stupid boomers despite having a BS in Zoology and a MS in Fisheries from LSU.
This post was edited on 4/24/20 at 5:53 pm
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 4/24/20 at 5:53 pm to
I'm going to a crawfish boil with around 10 people. I'll let you know if I die as result.
Posted by Tiger985
Member since Nov 2006
7472 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:03 pm to
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So the masks hold value regardless


False.

If someone has symptoms they should be home.

Masks are for the sick and those caring for the sick.

These nasty filthy masks I see on people are a greater threat to themselves and everyone.

Again, this has been studied with countless other respiratory viruses. Do a little reading.

This mask crap is about "feels", not science.

Masks are useless unless peo0le follow strict protocols that NO ONE is following.

Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:12 pm to
Unless you have a legit PPE, the masks are to protect others from your spit than anything else.
Posted by Tygra
Bee Are
Member since Jan 2008
426 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:14 pm to
quote:

If someone has symptoms they should be home.


Did you know a person can show no symptoms and still spread the virus?

quote:

Masks are for the sick and those caring for the sick.


N95 masks are used for the people you listed.

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Again, this has been studied with countless other respiratory viruses. Do a little reading


You’re right it has been studied. In reading it says wearing a mask helps to prevent the individual who is wearing a mask from spreading a virus.


quote:

This mask crap is about "feels", not science. Masks are useless unless peo0le follow strict protocols that NO ONE is following.


People being uneducated about wearing masks, as you yourself are proving, is an issue clearly.
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9735 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:21 pm to
It slows it down but doesn’t actually reduce anything.
Posted by Tiger985
Member since Nov 2006
7472 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:30 pm to
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People being uneducated about wearing masks, as you yourself are proving, is an issue clearly.


No. You are wrong. It's the filthy ignorant walking around town with filthy nasty masks they touch all day....go home and lay on counter or kitchen table....pick up again....touch all over it.....wear 5 days in a row or 10 or 20.....they are spreading not containing.

I'm talking about what is happening in the real world.

Wash hands, don't touch your face and stay home if you have symptoms.

That will contain this and this has always been true.

Asymptomatic spread is overblown. The virus is spread by droplets. Without symptoms you are very unlikely to spread to anyone.

Politicians are going off about masks. The science is split at best.

It's completely false to suggest someone is being irresponsible by not wearing a mask.







This post was edited on 4/24/20 at 6:34 pm
Posted by RidiculousHype
The Hatch
Member since Sep 2007
10751 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:46 pm to
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Heard immunity isn't a new concept. However, allowing a novel disease showing significant mortality to run rampant without good data on what will happen in an attempt to achieve heard immunity is a dangerous strategy. It may be the right one, but it isn't a clear choice.


Thanks for replying. I guess I’m confused as to how someone could be smart enough to do high-level research at Stanford, but dense enough to promote a dangerous strategy. Full disclosure, I want him to be right because I want to see the lockdowns end. But I don’t want to wishcast. I just want to hear more about the legitimacy of his ideas.
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 7:32 pm to
Lots of brilliant people disagree with each other all the time.
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
37001 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 8:11 pm to
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You still do not understand that the mask protects others, not you. So, them having that over their face is to protect you if they cough or similar. You sound like someone that just thinks he sounds tough by calling people "boomers."


There was a big thread just before all this started where an employee at a Costco pulled samples away from a little Asian boy wearing a mask and coughing. She was called dumb and racist and they wanted her fired because "it's not the sick people that wear the mask".

It really is interesting to see it being argued the other way now.
This post was edited on 4/24/20 at 8:12 pm
Posted by CornPop
Member since Oct 2019
8 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 10:33 pm to
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I laugh at the morons in grocery stores etc with their little handkerchief over their mouth.


You might want to rethink your assumptions.

Some of those "morons" you laugh at could be the primary caregiver for a family member with a compromised immune system - due to cancer chemotherapy, emphysema, etc.

In those situations, people will do whatever they can to minimize risk to try and protect a wife, husband, parent, or child.

And the oft-cited claim that homemade masks do nothing to protect the wearer is not completely accurate. There is such a thing as a dose-response curve. Google it.

Anything that can be done to reduce the inhalation of viral particles is not necessarily a bad thing during a pandemic.

Laughing at strangers and calling them "morons" says more about you than it does about them.
This post was edited on 4/24/20 at 10:35 pm
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