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re: So starting tomorrow we can take our guns with us concealed with no permit?

Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:15 pm to
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:15 pm to
Not sure how Louisiana does it at this point but you don't need a CCDW in Kentucky anymore if you're 21 and up. But there are still restrictions on where you can carry that were applicable to CCDW folks in the first place (bars, schools, daycare center, school, etc).

We still get our licenses since we travel and there are states that still require a CCDW.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:16 pm to
I like that. Restaurants were formerly no carry if they served liquor. So this law changes that.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:17 pm to
That's the thing. Starting tomorrow said class is no longer needed. That whole industry will be dead in Louisiana. If you're a concealed carry instructor this is going to hurt.
I personally know the laws but wasn't sure if the changes starting tomorrow in Louisiana.
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:18 pm to
Posted by whoa
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:18 pm to
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It is important to remember that Louisiana currently has an alcohol limit of .05 BAC or greater for those concealed carrying a firearm in public. It is not a good idea to mix the consumptions of large quantities of alcohol with firearms. You are in the best defensive position to protect yourself and your family from the attack of a violent criminal when you are not under the influence of alcohol

Yea ok. This will surely be followed.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

That's the thing. Starting tomorrow said class is no longer needed. That whole industry will be dead in Louisiana. If you're a concealed carry instructor this is going to hurt.


Kentucky repealed carried conceal in 2019. I know some folks who run CCDW classes. People will still obtain their license if they travel (I believe 20-ish states still require CCDW).

A lot of those instructors also saw an influx of people taking classes for safety in the last few years. Especially among women. So it balances out IMO.
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:21 pm to
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All of my firearms were lost in a tragic boating accident.


Mine too, since then I'm reformed and would never touch a firearm, plus I love Hillary.
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

It is important to remember that Louisiana currently has an alcohol limit of .05 BAC or greater for those concealed carrying a firearm in public. It is not a good idea to mix the consumptions of large quantities of alcohol with firearms. You are in the best defensive position to protect yourself and your family from the attack of a violent criminal when you are not under the influence of alcohol


A year from now, I wonder if more innocents will die as a result of this idiocy or if there'll be more criminals killed in the act of robbing restaurants/bars.

Government sure has a bad habit of managing for the outliers. Like there are armed felons walking into restaurants all over Louisiana and opening fire or something...we better fix that by allowing there to be more guns in the hands of drunk people!

Bold strategy.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
15763 posts
Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:25 pm to
Wrong. The classes will no longer be required but they will still be very much needed.

The industry will be fine because smart people who actually leave the state of Louisiana that carry concealed are still going to get permits. Because we’re smart and know the laws.

Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
15763 posts
Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:27 pm to
Guaranteed there will be a lot more people prosecuted for gun related offenses because Murica and 2A so I don’t need no training.

Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

The industry will be fine because smart people who actually leave the state of Louisiana that carry concealed are still going to get permits. Because we’re smart and know the laws.



Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44214 posts
Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

Guaranteed there will be a lot more people prosecuted for gun related offenses because Murica and 2A so I don’t need no training.


Idaho is constitutional carry. And we don't have any of those problems. We also have one of the lowest violent crime rates in the country, while having an extremely high gun ownership rate.

How very odd.

ETA: Idaho is fourth in gun ownership, behind Montana, Wyoming, and Alaska. Also places with very little violent crime.
This post was edited on 7/3/24 at 1:44 pm
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

Restaurants were formerly no carry if they served liquor.


Not exactly. If it is primarily a restaurant that also serves alcohol, you can carry in the restaurant portion but not the "bar" portion. Most will have the bar separated by a low wall, railing, or it is up a couple of steps but there may be tables in that area. You shouldn't accept a table in that section. If it is primarily a bar that may serve some food, it's a no go.
If alcohol exceeds primary sales, you can't carry there. Restaurants that HAVE BARS, are fine, but the bar AREA is off limits.

https://www.lsp.org/media/e04occ5m/chrulebook.pdf

quote:

(10) Any portion of the permitted area of an establishment that has been granted a
Class A-General retail permit, as defined in Part II of Chapter 1 or Part II of Chapter 2 of
Title 26 of the Louisiana Revised Statutes of 1950, to sell alcoholic beverages for
consumption on the premises.

Posted by mmmmmbeeer
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Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:41 pm to
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Idaho is constitutional carry. And we don't have any of those problems. We also have one of the lowest violent crime rates in the country.

How very odd.


Idaho - less than 2M people total, density of 22 people per square mile

Louisiana - 4.6M people total, density of 108 people per square mile


How very odd, indeed.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44214 posts
Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

Idaho - less than 2M people total, density of 22 people per square mile

Louisiana - 4.6M people total, density of 108 people per square mile


You don't understand the term "rate" do you?
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
15763 posts
Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

Idaho is constitutional carry. And we don't have any of those problems. We also have one of the lowest violent crime rates in the country, while having an extremely high gun ownership rate.

How very odd.


Are you really trying to compare Idaho to Louisiana?

First thing you need to know about Louisiana is, We aint too bright but we have a good time. That should actually be the state motto.
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
4612 posts
Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:46 pm to
That’s hilarious. I’m sure the thugs playing shooting games will take it under advisement. Bet a non-thug gets busted 1st.
Posted by Buck Wylde
Member since Jun 2019
480 posts
Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:48 pm to
I would disagree. People who carry guns aren't afraid of shite. They have a gun.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
37942 posts
Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:48 pm to
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I like that. Restaurants were formerly no carry if they served liquor. So this law changes that.


It is still private property. If they post no firearms then it needs to be abided. I soured a bit on open carry because I have now witnessed how many people do not know the difference between public and private property.



quote:

Starting tomorrow said class is no longer needed.


The class does give you protection against civil suits


quote:

Idaho is constitutional carry. And we don't have any of those problems. We also have one of the lowest violent crime rates in the country, while having an extremely high gun ownership rate.

How very odd.





Not odd at all. Louisiana population makes up 31% of the group that commits half of the murders for instance. Idaho's second largest group is Hispanic at 13%.
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
9750 posts
Posted on 7/3/24 at 1:49 pm to
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You don't understand the term "rate" do you?


When evaluating crimes which require the presence of two people, I'd say population density is a pretty important part of the argument. No?
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