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re: So Lee Harvey Oswald arose from anonymity to
Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:08 pm to baybeefeetz
Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:08 pm to baybeefeetz
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Why?
They didn't get along with him.
Bay of Pigs: The CIA assumed once they were on the ground JFK would authorize military force to aide them. He didn't and was pissed at the way things went and initially considered scrapping the CIA.
Operation Northwoods: Technically a DoD plan but it called for the CIA to commit terrorist attacks against the US as a justification to invade Cuba.
Lots of other things. The CIA and others probably thought they could pin the assassination on Oswald and thus Cuba/Russia.
Fun Fact: My dad went to, I think, 2nd grade with Oswald. He lived in Covington for about a year.
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Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:12 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Oswald acted alone.
Agreed. This visceral need some have for it to be a conspiracy is truly fascinating.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:15 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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What conspiracy pushers need to do is provide tangible EVIDENCE OF A CONSPIRACY
Like the House select committee on assassinations finding it was a conspiracy?
Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:15 pm to JPinLondon
Who has a visceral need is hard to tell over the internet, first of all. Second, come on. It’s just interesting to think about and debate.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:16 pm to baybeefeetz
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You said that in the other thread. Great points. But that doesn’t explain why Oswald denied it. It was a political murder. Why not own it?
Given the erratic nature of Oswald in the decade before the JFK assassination, I don't even think his denial is all that interesting of a fact.
More interesting, that few are aware of, is that Kennedy was NOT Oswald's first assassination attempt.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:16 pm to baybeefeetz
CSB- There was an old man I knew with the name Mr Colin (RIP) who owned a gas station on magazine street that told me stories about him . He left his car there and after the assassination the FBI paid him a visit. Said he was “ a real twerp “ - his words. Also called him “ a squirrel “- lol.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:17 pm to JPinLondon
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More interesting, that few are aware of, is that Kennedy was NOT Oswald's first assassination attempt.
Yep, he missed an easier shot on General Walker.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:20 pm to therick711
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Like the House select committee on assassinations finding it was a conspiracy?
I'm quite sure you know that this assessment was made primarily due to a police audio recording that pointed to a fourth shot?
And that the audible fourth shot was completely, subsequently, debunked. Not a little bit debunked. Utterly wrong.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:22 pm to JPinLondon
The point is there is some evidence. Disputing it is fine, but people act like the thought of a conspiracy is simply the result of people wanting it to be true without evidence. The fricking House of Representatives said it was a conspiracy.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:26 pm to therick711
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The point is there is some evidence. Disputing it is fine, but people act like the thought of a conspiracy is simply the result of people wanting it to be true without evidence. The fricking House of Representatives said it was a conspiracy.
No, there wasn't! The audio segment that indicated a fourth shot was shown to be completely incorrect. The House relied primarily on that to make their conclusion.
If your conclusion is based on a debunked set of data, well, guess what your conclusion is worth??
Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:26 pm to Parmen
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Think its a coincidence that Ruby conveniently dies of cancer after he was granted a retrial?
Dr. Oschner gave him the cancers
Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:38 pm to baybeefeetz
Wasn’t Oswald sitting in a movie theater when they found him? How did they even know he was there?
Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:39 pm to Parmen
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LHO was a patsy. Jack Ruby was hired to shoot him. Think its a coincidence that Ruby conveniently dies of cancer after he was granted a retrial?
Of all the problems the conspiracy folks have with their weak theories, Jack Ruby is the most problematic... if you open your eyes!! Jack Ruby's timeline the morning he shot Oswald:
- he's awakened by phone by one of his strippers (or waitresses) needing a rent payment made ASAP or she gets evicted
- is at Western Union (a receipt confirms this) AFTER the time of the announced Oswald prisoner transfer
(read that last one again... and think about that for a bit)
- has his beloved dog with him (in his car)
- transfer of Oswald is delayed, partly because the armored truck was too big to enter garage ramp at Dallas Police HQ, and for a few other logistical reasons
- Ruby walks a couple blocks to check out the commotion at DPD HQ
- sneaks in, because he is a well know businessman, and not a suspicious person
If the CIA (or Mafia, or LBJ or Cuba, or the Soviets) assigned Jack Ruby to silence the patsy, then that same CIA would have had difficulty walking and chewing gum at the same time. He was a buffoon of a person to entrust such a monumentally crucial task to.
Knowing Ruby's timeline, is part of what switched me from believing in a conspiracy (which I did from late-70s to ~2012) to all but knowing that Oswald acted alone.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:41 pm to baybeefeetz
Family friend we knew growing up was on LBJ and Carter's secret service detail, adamant it was Oswald acting alone.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:49 pm to JPinLondon
quote:I always suspected you were a part of the coverup
JPinLondon
Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:52 pm to baybeefeetz
There are thousands of levels and types of nut cases. Lee and Jack were both nut cases, but in different ways
Lee did it, for the most part, on his own. He was a loner nut case with a huge need for ego satisfaction and a contempt for his place in the USA of those days. He knew some Russians in Dallas and they likely set him up to make the shot, but they did not help him the day he did it.
Jack also did it on his own. He was a small time con man and a nut case, but in a different way from Lee. He wanted to be important and probably thought killing Lee was the way to get there. What he did was likely a spur-of-the-moment thing,
The CIA? Full of nut cases, that had no part in the killing of JFK, other than totally missing what was going on with Lee. They knew him, but never realized what he was going to do. They just weren't the know everything people folks think they are.
LBJ? another nut case, and an evil man. He would have taken out JFK, but he wasn't smart enough to do it. What Lee did was the best thing to ever happen to LBJ, kind of like stepping in shite and walking away smelling like roses.
Lee did it, for the most part, on his own. He was a loner nut case with a huge need for ego satisfaction and a contempt for his place in the USA of those days. He knew some Russians in Dallas and they likely set him up to make the shot, but they did not help him the day he did it.
Jack also did it on his own. He was a small time con man and a nut case, but in a different way from Lee. He wanted to be important and probably thought killing Lee was the way to get there. What he did was likely a spur-of-the-moment thing,
The CIA? Full of nut cases, that had no part in the killing of JFK, other than totally missing what was going on with Lee. They knew him, but never realized what he was going to do. They just weren't the know everything people folks think they are.
LBJ? another nut case, and an evil man. He would have taken out JFK, but he wasn't smart enough to do it. What Lee did was the best thing to ever happen to LBJ, kind of like stepping in shite and walking away smelling like roses.
This post was edited on 11/27/19 at 12:03 am
Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:53 pm to 0
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Wasn’t Oswald sitting in a movie theater when they found him? How did they even know he was there?
How did the cops know the suspicious man who eyewitnesses saw shoot Tippet, walked into a theatre?
Eyewitnesses called that in too. Pretty standard policing, particularly with citizens on edge and watching everyone.
Posted on 11/26/19 at 11:57 pm to Wolfhound45
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I always suspected you were a part of the coverup
In my business, we don't use that word. Our people fix these things. Just go to sleep, friend, and it will all be better.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 12:03 am to KirkLazarus
I read a pretty interesting theory that if there was a second shooter they were on the building housing the 6th floor cafe today. They used a high powered .223 for the kill shot and there would have been little evidence
I believe Oswald was shooting that day, but I doubt he hit the head shot that killed Kennedy. Oswald hit Kennedy in the back, hit the curb and hit Connelly and then the car. Connelly’s wrist was shattered by the second sniper getting off a last shot as the car sped up.
The echoes of the bigger rifle Oswald was using covered up the .223, and it was probably muffled
The kill shot came from another sniper, that is why Oswald said he was a patsy. He knew he missed the most important shot and someone else unconnected to him finished the job
The .223 hit the top of Kennedy’s head and his back brace caused him to recoil and go back and to the left
I don’t believe Oswald was in the know on the second shooter, he saw the results and knew he was in a setup. That is why he denied killing Kennedy.
I believe Oswald was shooting that day, but I doubt he hit the head shot that killed Kennedy. Oswald hit Kennedy in the back, hit the curb and hit Connelly and then the car. Connelly’s wrist was shattered by the second sniper getting off a last shot as the car sped up.
The echoes of the bigger rifle Oswald was using covered up the .223, and it was probably muffled
The kill shot came from another sniper, that is why Oswald said he was a patsy. He knew he missed the most important shot and someone else unconnected to him finished the job
The .223 hit the top of Kennedy’s head and his back brace caused him to recoil and go back and to the left
I don’t believe Oswald was in the know on the second shooter, he saw the results and knew he was in a setup. That is why he denied killing Kennedy.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 12:08 am to supatigah
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Oswald hit Kennedy in the back, hit the curb and hit Connelly and then the car. Connelly’s wrist was shattered by the second sniper getting off a last shot as the car sped up.
The echoes of the bigger rifle Oswald was using covered up the .223, and it was probably muffled
The kill shot came from another sniper, that is why Oswald said he was a patsy. He knew he missed the most important shot and someone else unconnected to him finished the job
Interesting fiction, but I'll bite.
But just to get some terminology straight, shooting the President of the United States in the back (or neck) does NOT make someone able to claim "patsy" status because they didn't finish him off.
I mean.. seriously??
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