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Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:38 am to upgrayedd
Fair enough. However this is highly nuanced and the federal government falls under the unbrella of sovereign immunity more times than not. Without sovereign immunity the federal government would come to a grinding halt defending lawsuits.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:40 am to GumboPot
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However this is highly nuanced and the federal government falls under the unbrella of sovereign immunity more times than not
Not to be a dick, but that type of response is the MO for conspiracy theorists.
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Without sovereign immunity the federal government would come to a grinding halt defending lawsuits.
Unfortunately, Obama lowered the bar for what it takes to sue the fedgov.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 12:31 pm to GumboPot
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However this is highly nuanced
Oh. My. God.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 12:45 pm to upgrayedd
The buildings hit by planes were designed to be hit by planes and survive. Yes there is jet fuel in the planes, surely the designed to be hit by a plane design would account for that but I don't know.
Buildings survive bombings better than they did from fire that day.
From the video it sounds like bombs were going off. Even people in the videos mention it while it's happening.
The buildings fell damn near straight down like a controlled demolition.
The guy who owned the building, who had a habit of being there every day, managed to not be there that day. Along with all his family members that worked there.
It is undeniable to say it was a strange day.
Buildings survive bombings better than they did from fire that day.
From the video it sounds like bombs were going off. Even people in the videos mention it while it's happening.
The buildings fell damn near straight down like a controlled demolition.
The guy who owned the building, who had a habit of being there every day, managed to not be there that day. Along with all his family members that worked there.
It is undeniable to say it was a strange day.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 12:46 pm to weagle99
I dont think they allowed it per se, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that the US, with all the special forces, special ops, FBI, CIA shite we have, we managed to be completely unaware and surprised on such a large scale attack by a bunch of people wearing robes using basic AOL dial up in sand huts.
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 12:48 pm to GumboPot
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Why is that even relevant? My sources are the engineers and architects from the links already provided in this thread a few times.
So what is the determining factor that causes you to believe that very small minority of engineers over the vast majority of engineers that disagree with them? There must be some reason you guys always say "listen to the experts. Whoops, not that large group of experts that thoroughly disagree with me. Listen to the little group in the corner.". What makes your tiny group more credible than 99% of their colleagues?
Posted on 8/7/17 at 12:48 pm to lsupride87
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we managed to be completely unaware and surprised on such a large scale attack by a bunch of people wearing robes using basic AOL dial up in sand huts.
I wouldn't say we were completely unaware. The intel community knew something big was going down but they couldn't pinpoint it.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 12:50 pm to upgrayedd
quote:I guess. I hate to even say it out loud
I wouldn't say we were completely unaware. The intel community knew something big was going down but they couldn't pinpoint it.
I dont want to be roped in with the truthers, but shite I cant turn off the "smells like shite" part of my brain. I mean they had planes hit the WTC, Pentagon, and another one headed for the white house that failed........
How in the hell did all that get done by a bunch of freaking scrubs from the middle east?
Posted on 8/7/17 at 12:52 pm to upgrayedd
That and the US has never been among the elite when it comes to intelligence agencies.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 12:54 pm to northshorebamaman
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So what is the determining factor that causes you to believe that very small minority of engineers over the vast majority of engineers that disagree with them?
Who are the majority that you speak of?
Posted on 8/7/17 at 12:55 pm to northshorebamaman
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That and the US has never been among the elite when it comes to intelligence agencies.
And we've been having huge problems with a shortage of human intel for quite a while now.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 12:56 pm to northshorebamaman
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That and the US has never been among the elite when it comes to intelligence agencies.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 12:57 pm to lsupride87
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How in the hell did all that get done by a bunch of freaking scrubs from the middle east?
well for starters, we'd never had an attack like that before. Kind of easy to pull off a surprise attack when no one expects one- see Pearl Harbor.
kind of like the same way Tim Mcveigh blew up the OKC Federal Bldg with fertilizer. No one was looking at that shite before he did his thing. Now they monitor the movement of the stuff.
No one expected two high schoolers to kill a bunch of their classmates by simply walking thru the doors with weapons and determination. Now we have metal detectors in schools. Think that was all coincidental?
Posted on 8/7/17 at 12:57 pm to Placebeaux
Those that aren't in his group of 2500 or whatever it is and those that have published multiple articles debunking truther BS in places like Popular Mechanics.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 12:59 pm to northshorebamaman
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in places like Popular Mechanics.
NB4PopMechispartofthecoverup
Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:00 pm to GumboPot
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I've seen eye witness video reports from local NY government officials stating that it was clearly a planned demolition
How is this discernible from an eyewitness report? Without the credentials of the person, this is worthless. I'm not talking about opinion - I'm talking about "evidence" - "evidence" can be falsified and altered, for sure, but with "evidence" we can weigh and evaluate it on it's own merits.
The evidence I'm relying on is the clear damage to WTC 7 caused by the collapse of the 2 1000-foot skyscrapers to its immediate South. Those collapses caused damage, specifically fire, to WTC 7. Now, I grant you that fire alone bringing down a building is both unlikely and unexpected, but this was an extraordinary event at an extraordinary time. Clearly the building was torn up one side. Firefighters on the scene reported hearing creaking and groaning, after it was determined the building would likely collapse.
Now, either they're all in on it, or the conspiracy nuts are just that.
Gage heads up this organization that you're lauding here. Gage believes the whole thing was a conspiracy - not just WTC 7. Therefore, he's a nut, period.
I mean, I get that you're skeptical of NIST and FEMA. I am, too. But, ASCE and Popular Mechanics have no reason to go out on a limb for the government - at least I wouldn't think. Most private entities (that are not wholly compromised of course) with any sort of objective reputation would choose to remain silent than push a lie. Maybe that's my own gullibility at work, but that's where I am on it.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:00 pm to Placebeaux
Dead serious. We're more capable now but we got a late start and played catch up with the KGB for most of the Cold War. I was just watching a documentary on this last night on Amazon.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:03 pm to northshorebamaman
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That and the US has never been among the elite when it comes to intelligence agencies.
Meh. We have some of the best technical intelligence folks in the world, period. Imagery, signals, ELINT, just that whole spectrum of things we excel at. It's Human Intelligence (HUMINT) where we've consistently been above average at best, lagging behind the elites of USSR/Russia, Britain, Israel, and, more recently, Red China.
And this is for a variety of reasons - the abuses of the 50s and 60s led to the Church Committee. We've been relatively defanged in that area since then.
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:06 pm to Ace Midnight
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Meh. We have some of the best technical intelligence folks in the world, period. Imagery, signals, ELINT, just that whole spectrum of things we excel out. It's Human Intelligence (HUMINT) where we've consistently been above average at best, lagging behind the elites of USSR/Russia, Britain, Israel, and, more recently, Red China.
And this is for a variety of reasons - the abuses of the 50s and 60s led to the Church Committee. We've been relatively defanged in that area since then.
I agree and when you average those two points together I believe it's fair to say we're not historically elite. It's perfectly reasonable to disagree, however, because the definition of elite is subjective.
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