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re: So im more convinced than ever that the govt allowed 9/11 to happen

Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:08 pm to
Posted by TJGator1215
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:08 pm to
Our enemies and allies literally warned the US but they ignored them
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Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:11 pm to
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Our enemies and allies literally warned the US but they ignored them

Those warnings always make sense in hindsight. I don't think you realize the amount of data they have to analyze and confirm on a daily or weekly basis.
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:14 pm to
The warnings he posted were concerning an Al Qaeda attack with airplanes. So are the truthers claiming that our government was colluding with Al Qaeda?
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:16 pm to
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I agree and when you average those two points together I believe it's fair to say we're not historically elite.


Well, I would say we are, just because of the resources we have and the things we can do that no one can.

But, it is also fair to say, because of our relative weakness in HUMINT, particularly over the last 40 years, we're slow to identify "why" shite is happening. We're also weaker in counterintel because this is largely a subset of HUMINT.

While still "elite" in my mind (solely based on our imagery assets and capabilities), we are not GOAT solely based on our perhaps slightly above average HUMINT and CI capabilities.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:17 pm to
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The warnings he posted were concerning an Al Qaeda attack with airplanes. So are the truthers claiming that our government was colluding with Al Qaeda?

I assume he's saying we knew but didn't do anything about it, but I suppose some would opine that the government was secretly feeding plans to AQ so they could help carry out the plan and make it look legit while they rigged the towers with tons upon tons of explosives.
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:18 pm to
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While still "elite" in my mind (solely based on our imagery assets and capabilities), we are not GOAT solely based on our perhaps slightly above average HUMINT and CI capabilities.

I almost edited my last comment to include "at the very least, not the GOAT".
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:25 pm to
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The evidence I'm relying on is the clear damage to WTC 7 caused by the collapse of the 2 1000-foot skyscrapers to its immediate South. Those collapses caused damage, specifically fire, to WTC 7.


Don't disagree. The initial damage to WTC 7 was on one side. Thus, how did WTC7 (and all the structures for that matter) collapse in near-symmetrical fashion when the damage was clearly not symmetrical?
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:29 pm to
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Those that aren't in his group of 2500 or whatever it is and those that have published multiple articles debunking truther BS in places like Popular Mechanics.


Its 2899 that are members of the organization. I dont think the every engineer that agrees signs on. How many engineers have debunked their claims?

Also there is a pilots for 9/11 truth

Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:33 pm to
Yeah I dont believe that. The OSS was the best back in the day so to say the CIA dropped the ball and is not one of the best Intel organizations around is just silly.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:35 pm to
The main point of that gif you posted is symmetry. Rate of change is not a good comparison in that gif. The WTC7 building and the other building are in different scales.
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:35 pm to
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The initial damage to WTC 7 was on one side. Thus, how did WTC7 (and all the structures for that matter) collapse in near-symmetrical fashion when the damage was clearly not symmetrical?


Plus the new report says that that damage did not cause the building to fall


Posted by OweO
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:38 pm to
There are theories behind just about every tragic event that has taken place in US history. There is a lot of information (some true, some not) out there in which it is easy to come up with some theory.

I am not naive enough to think that the public is always given the exact details on events, but at the same time, I am not going to think something is true just because someone thought something out and it sounds like it is something that could be possible.

This is my thoughts. Several years earlier Al-qaeda attempted to blow up the WTC and it failed. They went back to the drawing board and came up with the plan to hi-jack the planes and run them into the towers. President Bush was able to take advantage of public opinion after 9/11 to be able to go invade Iraq. He wanted to invade Iraq because he thought his dad didn't get the job finished during Desert Storm... Also, he wanted to establish a government in iraq that would be pro-US.

The thing is.. When people say "the government", what exactly do they mean? Our government is so complex that it would have to be something that one person or a very small group of people within the government would have to get done. People say "the government" as if everyone from the president to Florida's US Rep Corrine Brown is in on it. Do you think this woman staged a successful terrorist attack?
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Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:40 pm to
Yeah, let's take an out of context, possibly shopped picture and use it as proof.


I suppose you think this is real too...



Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:42 pm to
That still frame is from a BBC reporter reporting that WTC 7 had already collapsed (as the building stood in the background).

I do not know if their were other news agencies that reported WTC 7 had already collapsed before it actually collapsed.

This could have been a simple exuberance mistake. Now if there were more than just the BBC making this mistake then that would give more credence to the theory that people were being tipped off to leave the area do to an imminent collapse as the communications reached the news desk the story degraded into WTC 7 collapsed before it actually collapsed.
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:44 pm to
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Yeah, let's take an out of context, possibly shopped picture and use it as proof.

That picture is one of the silliest things I see truthers post.

"Hey, we just rigged the World Trade Center with explosives. We should let the press know. Would hate for them to miss the story, and hey, who better to keep it quiet than the news channels?".
Posted by OweO
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:46 pm to
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That still frame is from a BBC reporter reporting that WTC 7 had already collapsed (as the building stood in the background).

I do not know if their were other news agencies that reported WTC 7 had already collapsed before it actually collapsed.

This could have been a simple exuberance mistake. Now if there were more than just the BBC making this mistake then that would give more credence to the theory that people were being tipped off to leave the area do to an imminent collapse as the communications reached the news desk the story degraded into WTC 7 collapsed before it actually collapsed.




Maybe there was a delay in the feed or something? Why would BBC reporters know about a plan the US government put together to attack the WTC? That is news that BBC and every other media outlet would love to have, if true.
Posted by OweO
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:46 pm to
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"Hey, we just rigged the World Trade Center with explosives. We should let the press know. Would hate for them to miss the story, and hey, who better to keep it quiet than the news channels?".


Exactly!
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:47 pm to
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Yeah I dont believe that. The OSS was the best back in the day so to say the CIA dropped the ball and is not one of the best Intel organizations around is just silly.

The CIA has a storied history of dropping the ball. Google Cuba.
This post was edited on 8/7/17 at 1:48 pm
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:58 pm to
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Building 7’s collapse reported in advance by CNN and the BBC

In this BBC video, correspondent Jane Standley reports that Building 7 has collapsed; meanwhile (at the 1:17 mark), a fully intact Building 7 can actually be seen — still standing — behind her. Who fed this information to Standley? Apparently, someone who had inside information about, and/or control over, the event itself, released that information to the media prematurely.

In another news clip, while Building 7 is seen standing fully erect and showing no signs of impending trauma, CNN’s Aaron Brown gives the following report: “We are getting information now that one of the other buildings, Building 7, in the World Trade Center complex, is on fire and has either collapsed or is collapsing…” Who is he “getting information” from? Again, it appears to be from someone who had inside information about, and/or control over, the event itself, and who released that information to the media prematurely. Only such an individual could have expected Building 7 to come down.
In sum, both CNN and BBC did not merely report that WTC 7 was damaged or that it might collapse. Instead, they prematurely announced the actual collapse of Building 7. No satisfactory explanation has been given about these premature announcements, which were obviously based on data fed to the announcers, apparently by an unknown person or persons who had inside information about, and/or control over, the event itself, and who bungled matters by releasing that information to the media prematurely.

ore evidence of foreknowledge of the collapse of Building 7 is preserved in this video where an eyewitnesses can be heard saying: “Keep your eye on that building. It’ll be coming down soon.” And “The building is about to blow up. Move it back.” And also, “We are walking back. The building is about to blow up.”

These reports were later corroborated by first responder Indira Singh, who, in a radio interview about Building 7, revealed that the FDNY had stated that “We’re going to have to bring it down.“

Countdown…

The testimony of Kevin McPadden, an emergency medical technician and 9/11 first responder, is even more shocking. In a taped interview, McPadden indicated that there was an actual countdown preceding Building 7’s collapse:

quote:

“The Red Cross rep was like, he goes over and he says [to us], ‘You gotta stay behind this line because they’re thinking about bringing the building down.’…He goes over and he asks one of the…firefighters what was going on…He came back over with his hand over the radio and [you could hear] what sounded like a countdown. And, at the last few seconds, he took his hand off [the radio] and you heard ‘three-two-one,’ and he was just saying, ‘Just run for your life! Just run for your life!’ And then it was like another two, three seconds, you heard explosions. Like, BA-BOOOOOM! And it’s like a distinct sound…BA-BOOOOOM! And you felt a rumble in the ground, like, almost like you wanted to grab onto something. That, to me, I knew that was an explosion. There was no doubt in my mind…”


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Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 8/7/17 at 1:58 pm to
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This could have been a simple exuberance mistake. Now if there were more than just the BBC making this mistake then that would give more credence to the theory that people were being tipped off to leave the area do to an imminent collapse as the communications reached the news desk the story degraded into WTC 7 collapsed before it actually collapsed.


BBC chalks it up as a mistake. The report was supposed to be "near collapse" it fell 20 minutes after that shot
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