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re: So if I wanted to start my own protestant church... I'd need, what, a building?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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My daughter and her husband put in 30+ hours a week
Ah so now it's all relative. We're making the exceptions the standard by which all full-time pastors who preach 3 30 minute sermons a week are judged.
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:59 pm to Slippy
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But if you can talk folks into putting money in the plate, the tax exemption is a pretty good deal
You don’t need a church.
You need a cult. Look at the cash that Scientology brings in.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:59 pm to Stitches
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Ah so now it's all relative
What youre doing is looking at about 1% of churches (megachurches) and projecting it on the other 99%
Its dumb.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What youre doing is looking at about 1% of churches (megachurches) and projecting it on the other 99%
I'm actually basing my information on the churches I attended when I was a shallow in history Baptist.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:01 pm to Stitches
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I'm actually basing my information on the churches I attended
Anecdotal evidence.
I should have know..
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Vows of poverty and chastity are dangerous. Few people can uphold those, and will choose to live a life of secrecy.
It opens up other issues though, like in Eastern Orthodoxy, their priests can marry, but it then needs to compensate for the family of the priest, and the time away from the church to hold a job, so more priests are needed.
Interestingly their Bishops cannot marry.
Personally, I rather receive Jesus's body from a different person than he who sold me Cooper's tires.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:29 pm to SuperOcean
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" I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a follower and a leader..... You have more fun as a follower...., but you make more money as a leader"
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:31 pm to cgrand
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u have cult leader skills it can be very lucrative
I've been studying Jared Leto to start my own sex cult
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:39 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
God will not be mocked, and you will regret posting that
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:41 pm to Slippy
Catholics got a real head start over us Baptists 
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:48 pm to Cosmo
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A lot of them are scams
Well.. Yeah. And what's funny is that even after they get exposed people still go.
There was a protestant church in my parish, that was located in the heart of where a bunch of poor whites live.. This was 15-20 years ago. The woman who ran the church (they called her sister... something.. I forgot) was caught gambling with the church funds. People still went. The funny thing is that years before she got caught doing the same thing. I don't know all the details, I think she was eventually forced to shut down, but then opened back up under her son's name or some shite, but all you have to do is be able to make people feel good.
If you have a church, if you are charismatic and people will leave your service feeling good you can establish a bunch of loyal followers who will do whatever you say. You can tell them anything and they believe you.
People want to feel like they are part of something so if you provide that community for them, they will be loyal as hell.
I had to go into a smaller version of a Healing Place type church once and I seen the shite people will do. People who don't make that much money and can only pay less than 10% of their yearly earning will find ways to make up for what they "owe". They will donate something.. As in an old car or their skills and time to do some project that if they were charging would be double of the less than 10% they gave.
To some degree the people who fall for this should hold some of the blame. They reason people scam is because people fall for it.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:49 pm to TigerSprings
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I would have to assume he would preach in The Church he personally setup 2000 years ago.
Do you honestly think that Jesus wanted or intended for a religion to spring up in his name? The Christian church is a political organization created for money, power and control. The most effective psyop in human history.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:57 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Do you honestly think that Jesus wanted or intended for a religion to spring up in his name?
Do you have any evidence that a guy who at a minimum led a public Jewish reformation movement to the point of being killed for it wouldn’t have wanted a religion to spring up in his name?
I’m going to assume you won’t use the Bible as support because if you do, Matthew 16:18.
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:06 pm to Cocotheape
Damn, you people have run this train off the rails. I really didn’t use the word “protestant” with any kind of loaded meaning. Except that (obviously) all of the churches of which I speak are decidedly protestant.
My point, I think, is that anyone who wants to start a church can do so with relative ease. They just need a business plan (which must necessarily start with a place to meet, no matter how crappy) and a touch of charisma and the ability to persuade. They don’t need denominational authority. They can invent their own denomination. Free enterprise in action.
My point, I think, is that anyone who wants to start a church can do so with relative ease. They just need a business plan (which must necessarily start with a place to meet, no matter how crappy) and a touch of charisma and the ability to persuade. They don’t need denominational authority. They can invent their own denomination. Free enterprise in action.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:12 pm to TigerSprings
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Personally, I rather receive Jesus's body from a different person than he who sold me Cooper's tires.
If its sacred, why does it matter?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If its sacred, why does it matter?
The priest stands in the place of Jesus. Jesus did not work during his ministry. The priest himself deserves and receives more reverence because he is not part of the world.
I guess it would be similar to when a 3rd grader sees his teacher at Walmart. Something changes in your mind about them once you realize there is nothing inherently special about your teacher.
Priest should be insulated from this, especially regarding things of a transactional nature. You are correct in that it does not ultimately matter, but if the loss of reverence for the priest translates to a loss of reverence for the Sacraments, now we have a real problem.
Thus, to tie it back to the OP. If the loss of reverence to God is lost because the church is fractionated and cheaply presented, then souls are lost because the Institution has not presented itself in a way that says "This is a place of importance, and the most important things you will do in your life will be done here".
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:53 pm to Slippy
There are clearly some sketch churches out there, but it doesn’t have as much to do with the building as it does the absence of sound doctrine, but I’ll tell you this, I probably put more stock in a small church meeting in a metal building than I do in a mega church in staying uncompromisingly faithful to scripture and not watering down the message to make it palatable in order to get church attendance high and money flowing.
Just because a church meets in a metal building does not mean they are off base. As a matter of fact, if they’re preaching scripture uncompromisingly, I’d probably say it’s going to be a smaller congregation without many high rollers in attendance because the message is going to turn them off.
Just because a church meets in a metal building does not mean they are off base. As a matter of fact, if they’re preaching scripture uncompromisingly, I’d probably say it’s going to be a smaller congregation without many high rollers in attendance because the message is going to turn them off.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:00 pm to Slippy
Buy a building you wanted to buy for investment purposes anyway under an LLC. Rent it out to yourself or preferably a close friend to be used as a church. Put collections money towards the loan on the building.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I've never understood catholicism. Y'all dont read the bible
What do you think the 2 readings and the gospel come from every Sunday?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:05 pm to Ingeniero
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So you've got a low budget option, which is what you described, but the real money maker is the high dollar option. It's more upfront but you'll have hippie dippy girls and their skinny pant wearing husbands at your place every Sunday for "worship service." Get a white brick building with lots of windows, call it something like "The Healing King's Church" and complete it with a cafe and a zip line
First Mall of Jesus.
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