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re: So if I wanted to start my own protestant church... I'd need, what, a building?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I miss the days when you could donate money to the Catholic Church and be absolved of all earthly sins.
This was never a reality, except in the minds of ignorant Protestants who parrot thoroughly debunked strawman arguments such as this one.
Alms don't necessarily go directly to the church, and you can only be relieved of some temporal punishments. Not actual sin, but the stains associated with them.
Lay off the copium
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:06 pm to Cosmo
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lot of them are scams Can get gubment money to “help people” and buy cars and stuff with nonprofit status
I know a guy who holds a service in his backyard
I’m all for spreading the Word but it’s obvious many use the tax advantages for personal gain
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:09 pm to Stitches
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and is simply the steward of it
The Vatican has $1.6 billion in stock. That’s by the lower estimates.
How bout let’s just start with selling off that sound good?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:09 pm to McLemore
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I guess by implication all you’d need to start a Romanist pagan cult location is the blessing of a false teacher making the false claim that Christ somehow gave him successive authority over people. And some diddling.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:13 pm to Adam Banks
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The Vatican has $1.6 billion in stock. That’s by the lower estimates.
Yes the Vatican has a stock portfolio which is funded entirely through donations. What's wrong with this?
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How bout let’s just start with selling off that sound good?
There isn't an organization or institution in the history of this planet which has done more for the poor and needy than the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. How do you suggest it continue doing that once it's given away its last penny and has nothing left to give?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:13 pm to Stitches
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billions in stock art and real estate
He's getting mad over unrealized gains of property, art, icons, and cathedrals over the past 2000 years.
If the Catholic Church liquidated everything it owns, it could vanish in Mexico overnight.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:19 pm to TigerSprings
Maybe he's one of those guys who thinks Elon Musk needs to liquidate his "net worth" to pay taxes.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:19 pm to Stitches
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This was never a reality,
It was. It was called "indulgences" which is anti scriptural in every single way.
You should take Western Civiliization some time. Its enlightening.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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indulgences
Don't forgive sin. Even Luther supported indulgences, he just didn't want them abused, and rightly so.
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You should take Western Civiliization some time. Its enlightening.
Didn't seem to work on you.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:22 pm to Slippy
I didn't realize Roger was an expert in theology as well. Is there anything this guy isn't an authority in?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It was called "indulgences" which is anti scriptural in every single way.
It still is called indulgences, and it is a way of putting good back into the world that your sin has taken from it. Money given as an indulgence was always optional.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:25 pm to Slippy
You don’t even need a building. Just slick sales pitch. Better to do it in your home that way you came claim your home as the church and not pay taxes.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:28 pm to TigerSprings
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and it is a way of putting good back into the world that your sin has taken from it.
Unfortunately the Catholic Church sold it as a means of salvation, which goes against Christianity throughout part of their history.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Unfortunately the Catholic Church sold it as a means of salvation
No they didn't.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:31 pm to Stitches
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No they didn't.
They absolutely did.
Do you want to rewrite history?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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They absolutely did.
Do you want to rewrite history?
Can you provide a shred a proof in support? I'm not rewriting history just because I'm not parroting unsubstantiated protestant talking points.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Myth : A person can “buy forgiveness” with indulgences.
The definition of indulgences presupposes that forgiveness has already taken place: “An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven” (Indulgentarium Doctrina 1, emphasis added). Indulgences in no way forgive sins. They deal only with punishments left after sins have been forgiven.
The definition of indulgences presupposes that forgiveness has already taken place: “An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven” (Indulgentarium Doctrina 1, emphasis added). Indulgences in no way forgive sins. They deal only with punishments left after sins have been forgiven.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 12:37 pm to Stitches
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Yes the Vatican has a stock portfolio which is funded entirely through donations. What's wrong with this?
How about instead of investing any surplus of tithes in worldly organizations they invest in human beings and give more to the poor?
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There isn't an organization or institution in the history of this planet which has done more for the poor and needy than the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Given its multi billion portfolio it could have done more
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How do you suggest it continue doing that once it's given away its last penny and has nothing left to give?
Trying to act like they are going to be paupers while just a fraction of its holdings is $1.6 billion
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