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re: Smith Shooter's Lawyer "My Client Was Not The Aggressor"
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:14 pm to SuperSaint
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:14 pm to SuperSaint
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This thread is comparably embarrassing for the Tiger Dropping's community as my straw cowboy hat.
NEVER FORGET!
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:14 pm to Festus
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What if the other person pulls their gun first, and you are pulling your gun in response? You still think the first guy that pulled the gun is justified simply because you were going for your gun to protect yourself?
No. That's why I said verbal altercation.
Obviously if Hayes drew first and THEN Smith made a move to get his gun then Hayes will be going to prison for a long time. We do not know for a fact if that is what happened. Maybe it did. We don't know.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:15 pm to BRgetthenet
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So, I can provoke you into going for your gun, then shoot you and blame your death on you?
Looks like i would have 2 choices if you told me you were getting your gun in that situation.
1. wait until you shoot me to see if you are bluffing
2. Shoot you
Its always better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:15 pm to N2cars
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The NOPD lacks the collective intelligence to frame (or unframe) anyone.
And there is my problem with all of this speculation.
I have no faith in the NOPD or the Orleans Parish DA.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:16 pm to BRgetthenet
That is why the leadup will matter. Hayes got hit from behind by Smith. Smith then does hit and run. Smith runs through red light at dangerous intersection. When they get into verbal altercation Smith announces he has a gun then reaches into his car. The defense argument will be that he had to take the threat seriously from somebody that had just exhibited lawlessness (and we will see if drunk driving is another one). I am sure they will say what he reached for looked like a gun and he thought he was seconds away from being shot himself.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:16 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Obviously if Hayes drew first (which we have no idea who drew first/made a move to draw first, or if Smith even made a move to draw at all) then Hayes will be going to prison for a long time.
Yeah, I'm thinking that establishing who pulled the gun first is going to have a major bearing on the outcome of this case.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:17 pm to oleyeller
Don't forget the 3rd choice. Don't follow someone and start shite over nothing.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:18 pm to Deactived
UpV'd M8
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:18 pm to TigerFred
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I have no faith in the NOPD or the Orleans Parish DA.
Mayor Mitch and his cronies are gonna make a strong push to convict Hayes to try and win the public back
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:18 pm to Artie Rome
quote:well the first choice was by Smith actually:
Don't forget the 3rd choice. Don't follow someone and start shite over nothing.
Don't fricking hit and run
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:19 pm to lsupride87
Hayes didn't have to follow him, hit Smith, then shoot him.
That was completely avoidable.
That was completely avoidable.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:20 pm to BRgetthenet
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Hayes didn't have to follow him, hit Smith, then shoot him.
Coach was right. It's the wild, wild west.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:21 pm to BRgetthenet
quote:Zimmerman didn't have to follow Trayvon. That was completely avoidable....
Hayes didn't have to follow him, hit Smith, then shoot him.
That was completely avoidable
What matter is was Smith justified in threatening using a gun? If so, Hayes committed murder
If Smith was not justified in making that threat, Hayes will have a chance at self defense
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:21 pm to arseinclarse
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Have to love the NOPD making arrests, then doing their investigation.
I'm not going to lie, when they brought Ronal Serpas over from heading Nashville, I thought we had someone that would actually move the dept in the right direction, but boy wasn't I wrong.... It's like no matter what they entire police force automatically by default, shits the bed.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:23 pm to BRgetthenet
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TM7 knows what's up.
This, I can agree with.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:23 pm to lsupride87
Actually the poor choices likely began hours earlier. 10-1 they were both drunk.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:23 pm to Artie Rome
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Don't forget the 3rd choice. Don't follow someone and start shite over nothing.
im pretty sure it started when someone did a hit and run.
But im talking about this scenerio only. Personally i am not going to be out cussing and fighting anyone over a car accident. I was only speaking on hayes behalf this particular situation. Both men were in the wrong here, and bad things happend
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:24 pm to oleyeller
See above. Bad choices everywhere. No big men left standing. Only destruction and misery. Over frick-all nothing.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:25 pm to oleyeller
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Both men were in the wrong here, and bad things happend
This is my thoughts as well. Smith paid for his mistake with his life. The question is, what price will Hayes pay for his?
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