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re: Smith Shooter's Lawyer "My Client Was Not The Aggressor"
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:00 am to 13SaintTiger
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:00 am to 13SaintTiger
It may be admissible in court.
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:02 am to 13SaintTiger
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Why does it need to be? Why should a domestic related incident have any influence on this case? I knew guys and females who had domestic issues but wouldn't dare step out of line with friends and other civilians.
you're grasping straws man. I never said it had anything to do with this case in particular. But it is a notch against Smith. It shows that he is not a stranger to explosive situations.
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Yes, you do have to spell it out if you are going to say your opinion was fair when the content was clearly biased
not sure what your MO is here, but i don't know how that comes off as biased. My point was simple. Wait for more facts to come out. There simply wasnt enough info. Me saying it might have been justified is NOT a biased.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:10 am to Lester Earl
quote:i rarely agree with you but I do think you have been perfectly fair and down the middle in this discussion.
Lester Earl
Personally, if a second gun was found in Smith's vehicle, in the area that he was supposedly fiddling around in, I don't see how anyone can expect someone not to defend themselves. It's kinda coming out a lot like the trayvon Martin situation, where as 2 wrongs led to a sad death.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:23 am to 7thWardTiger
How people are disagreeing with Lester so blindly is baffling.
I just chalk it up to it being a Saints player that was killed. If it was Joe Blow from the westbank, they would be singing a different tune
I just chalk it up to it being a Saints player that was killed. If it was Joe Blow from the westbank, they would be singing a different tune
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:29 am to GynoSandberg
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Cops on scene "within 4 minutes"
In NOLA? This is the real story!
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:36 am to Deactived
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I just chalk it up to it being a Saints player that was killed. If it was Joe Blow from the westbank, they would be singing a different tune
A lot of the emotional people from the oringal thread on Saint talk are the same ones here. Along with the people with Ohio St logos. This event may be a little to fresh for them to see if from an unbiased perspective (which I understand)
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:48 am to 13SaintTiger
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Not sure what that video has to do with being a murderer. The defense will probably spend 5 minutes on that.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:47 am to Fun Bunch
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Because he saw a Mercedes behind him, stopped short and would later claim there was contact and his neck was hurting. Lawsuit.
Based on his history of lawsuits I think this actually could be what happened. It is the first I have seen it mentioned so
on figuring that out Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:20 am to GynoSandberg
This has little to do w me being saints fan
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:39 am to rt3
Yea I hate that it happened but there's more to this. Not just some NOLA street stuff like everyone assumed. Kevin O'neil and the wife definitely know what went down for sure though. I think we're gonna find out some crazy details real soon.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 2:40 am
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:11 am to Lester Earl
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my guess as to what happened is Smith rear ended the guy, had prob been drinking so tried to flee. Guy caught up and rammed Smith from back after Smith had been impeded by the Impala. They got into argument. Hayes will claim Smith reached for something, so he shot him
This is exactly why I drink at home, and don't go out and do it.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 5:15 am to Lester Earl
LE, I've slept on it and here is my official theory:
Hayes is a big bastard that is driving a H2 he purchased from the lawsuit that was settled from the case of his father being killed by the NOPD for knife wielding while being drugged out of his gord. He takes pride in his ride and got upset when a drunken Smith almost smashed the shite out of it actually slightly taps it with his front bumper. Hayes then sees Smith speed off and chased/ followed him to make Smith accountable for the slight tap that didn't damage either vehicle. Hayes sees this action as disrespect and isn't being disrespected with his friend in the whip.
Once Hayes engages the next fender bender to stop Smith, both guys exit their vehicles. Hayes thinks his size is an asset until he sees the former defensive end in great physical shape and resorts to talk of the firearm to get Smith either on his level or down another level. I do believe Smith had a gun in his vehicle (both of my vehicles have firearms in them), which is perfectly legal. My theory is that Hayes lit Smith up when he "felt threatened" that Smith was going back to his vehicle.
This is where my theory ends. Once Hayes "felt threatened" in his mind, while not seeing a gun, he shoots Smith in the back and continues to shoot. This is consistent with the eye witness accounts on the previous video, as well as statements on Sunday that Smith was shot in the back. If my theory is dead on balls accurate, Hayes is guilty of murder. I do not care what transpired a block and a half away. Hayes cannot shoot Smith because he said he had a gun. Once Smith goes to his vehicle to pursue a gun, Hayes has time to retreat to his vehicle and attempt to leave the scene. IF it is proven that Hayes followed Smith to his vehicle and started firing his weapon hitting Smith in the back, he's spending the rest of his life in Angola, which is a tragedy for all parties.
I also want to know if Hayes has a legal CCP and what his BAC was. If he did not have a CCP and shot Smith outside of his vehicle or home, he's guilty of additional charges.
Hayes is a big bastard that is driving a H2 he purchased from the lawsuit that was settled from the case of his father being killed by the NOPD for knife wielding while being drugged out of his gord. He takes pride in his ride and got upset when a drunken Smith almost smashed the shite out of it actually slightly taps it with his front bumper. Hayes then sees Smith speed off and chased/ followed him to make Smith accountable for the slight tap that didn't damage either vehicle. Hayes sees this action as disrespect and isn't being disrespected with his friend in the whip.
Once Hayes engages the next fender bender to stop Smith, both guys exit their vehicles. Hayes thinks his size is an asset until he sees the former defensive end in great physical shape and resorts to talk of the firearm to get Smith either on his level or down another level. I do believe Smith had a gun in his vehicle (both of my vehicles have firearms in them), which is perfectly legal. My theory is that Hayes lit Smith up when he "felt threatened" that Smith was going back to his vehicle.
This is where my theory ends. Once Hayes "felt threatened" in his mind, while not seeing a gun, he shoots Smith in the back and continues to shoot. This is consistent with the eye witness accounts on the previous video, as well as statements on Sunday that Smith was shot in the back. If my theory is dead on balls accurate, Hayes is guilty of murder. I do not care what transpired a block and a half away. Hayes cannot shoot Smith because he said he had a gun. Once Smith goes to his vehicle to pursue a gun, Hayes has time to retreat to his vehicle and attempt to leave the scene. IF it is proven that Hayes followed Smith to his vehicle and started firing his weapon hitting Smith in the back, he's spending the rest of his life in Angola, which is a tragedy for all parties.
I also want to know if Hayes has a legal CCP and what his BAC was. If he did not have a CCP and shot Smith outside of his vehicle or home, he's guilty of additional charges.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 5:36 am to 4LSU2
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ayes is a big bastard that is driving a H2 he purchased from the lawsuit that was settled from the case of his father being killed by the NOPD for knife wielding while being drugged out of his gord. He takes pride in his ride and got upset when a drunken Smith almost smashed the shite out of it actually slightly taps it with his front bumper. Hayes then sees Smith speed off and chased/ followed him to make Smith accountable for the slight tap that didn't damage either vehicle. Hayes sees this action as disrespect and isn't being disrespected with his friend in the whip.
Once Hayes engages the next fender bender to stop Smith, both guys exit their vehicles. Hayes thinks his size is an asset until he sees the former defensive end in great physical shape and resorts to talk of the firearm to get Smith either on his level or down another level. I do believe Smith had a gun in his vehicle (both of my vehicles have firearms in them), which is perfectly legal. My theory is that Hayes lit Smith up when he "felt threatened" that Smith was going back to his vehicle.
This is where my theory ends. Once Hayes "felt threatened" in his mind, while not seeing a gun, he shoots Smith in the back and continues to shoot. This is consistent with the eye witness accounts on the previous video, as well as statements on Sunday that Smith was shot in the back. If my theory is dead on balls accurate, Hayes is guilty of murder. I do not care what transpired a block and a half away. Hayes cannot shoot Smith because he said he had a gun. Once Smith goes to his vehicle to pursue a gun, Hayes has time to retreat to his vehicle and attempt to leave the scene. IF it is proven that Hayes followed Smith to his vehicle and started firing his weapon hitting Smith in the back, he's spending the rest of his life in Angola, which is a tragedy for all parties.
I also want to know if Hayes has a legal CCP and what his BAC was. If he did not have a CCP and shot Smith outside of his vehicle or home, he's guilty of additional charges
This is pretty much it. Hayes was the aggressor from the beginning. The people here ready to fight balls to the wall over a scratch on a car are laughable. This entire situation would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic. Mr Hayes will have plenty of time to reflect because he's spending his life in Angola
Posted on 4/12/16 at 5:44 am to 4LSU2
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here is my official theory:
If by "theory" you meant a complete guess at unproven facts, thanks for the input. Next time, please save everyone's time and just post "I think I know what happened and Hayes is guilty."
Even after laying out what you believe happened, you raise the outstanding issue of bac levels as potentially relevant to your finding of guilt (which they are). Plus, there are a number of other highly relevant facts not covered in your analysis that will be presented to the jury. The jury won't hear a perfect rendition of what happened unless there is video of the entire confrontation; it'll hear two very different stories. This is a classic "he said she said" and will come down to which side is more credible at the end of the day (which could literally hinge on something like bac levels; tox screens; history of lying under oath; etc).
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 5:54 am
Posted on 4/12/16 at 6:46 am to bencoleman
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There's even clowns here saying that drew doesn't know what he's talking about. Do you really think he hasn't heard the whole story. I guarantee that he knows more about it than anyone posting here.
Yea, Drew Brees is briefed every 5 minutes.
Drew doesn't know anything more than the public.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 6:49 am to williejameshuft
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If by "theory" you meant a complete guess at unproven facts
I don't think you know what theory means.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 6:49 am to 4LSU2
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If he did not have a CCP and shot Smith outside of his vehicle or home, he's guilty of additional charges.
Oh yea... what charges might that be?
Because I think you are wrong
Posted on 4/12/16 at 6:52 am to Mr.Perfect
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Oh yea... what charges might that be?
I think he is alluding to illegally concealing a firearm?
I am a little surprised he hasn't been charged with assault for intentionally hitting another vehicle with his vehicle.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 6:53 am
Posted on 4/12/16 at 6:55 am to Mr.Perfect
Drew probably knows more than the average person because I'm sure someone from The Saints PR Dept has released some sort of information to the players.
May not be all of the facts, but probably more than the average OT'er has access to.
I'm sure more information will be released later this week.
May not be all of the facts, but probably more than the average OT'er has access to.
I'm sure more information will be released later this week.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:00 am to Rebel
I would also wafer drew spoke w PT who knows more than average person
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