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re: Smith Shooter's Lawyer "My Client Was Not The Aggressor"

Posted on 4/14/16 at 10:30 pm to
Posted by tLSU
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 10:30 pm to
All depends on the facts. If someone's saying "i'm getting my gun" and reaching for it, I think you can probably make a decent argument he was reasonably in fear for his life. If Hayes gets out his car with a gun in his hand and it causes Smith to rush to his car to protect himself, even if by grabbing for a weapon, I'd put that in front of a jury every day. I guess we'll see what the statements say. Based on what I know about the case, I do think that Hayes believes he acted in self-defense.

I don't think the jury is going to be affected by the Saints thing (at least a judge won't believe it is), but fuller will try to make it a big deal. Expect the state to turn voir dire around and dig at Fuller being a die-hard falcons fan through a "does anyone dislike the Saints so much, such as a Falcons fan like Mr. Fuller, that they'd be unable to fairly...." if he does.

He's gonna try the poor vs. rich argument, conspiracy to save the honor of the famous football player, and he'll try to play on ceravolo and the corrupt system. None of that is overly difficult to overcome in a case with a victim, though. The planting guns/drugs and/or misidentification tactics he uses a lot won't work. Unlike a PWITD where the police are the witnesses to the illegal transaction, or even a drug case where a cop recovers heroin in a guy's pocket, police misconduct really doesn't work in a case where the prosecutor can say "forget about everything you've heard from a police officer if you want to. Think about what the eyewitnesses told you and everything you saw and heard played for you." Having the right person to tell a jury "you're smarter than that" goes a long way against him. I'd hammer on everything he's been talking about since it happened, too. I've never seen him try a self-defense theory, but I have seen victim blame, which I think is a weak point for him.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 11:12 pm
Posted by UptownnMike
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 10:49 pm to
106 pages....
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:00 pm to
quote:

All depends on the facts. If someone's saying "i'm getting my gun" and reaching for it, I think you can probably make a decent argument he was reasonably in fear for his life.


I agree with this.

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If Hayes gets out his car with a gun in his hand and it causes Smith to rush to his car to protect himself, even if by grabbing for a weapon, I'd put that in front of a jury every day.


If that's the case it would take less than an hour of deliberation to get a guilty verdict imo.


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"forget about everything you've heard from a police officer if you want to. Think about what the eyewitnesses told you and everything you saw and heard played for you."


Agreed. Smith party will tell one version of the events. Hayes and his passenger will tell a different story. Whoever's story matches the most with the disinterested witnesses at the bar is probably gonna be the winner.


Have you heard anything about the supposed video taken during the altercation?
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 11:01 pm
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:04 pm to
I heard about the video, but always from people who heard there was a video...
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:08 pm to
Thanks for your posts in this thread. Just don't put yourself in a bad spot. Social media and TD have a few government attorneys' pelts on the wall recently.
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:12 pm to
Thanks

I'm no longer working there, FYI.
Posted by arseinclarse
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 4/21/16 at 2:38 pm to
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Paul Murphy ?@PMurphyWWL 15m15 minutes ago John Fuller, atty for Cardell Hayes, the man accused in the death of Will Smith requested Hayes be allowed to testify before grand jury.


Interesting
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
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Posted on 4/21/16 at 2:53 pm to
Pleas explain why it's interesting for us non lawyers
Posted by TigerFred
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Posted on 4/21/16 at 2:59 pm to
Is that typical for a person charged to testify before the grand jury?

Posted by arseinclarse
Member since Apr 2007
35423 posts
Posted on 4/21/16 at 2:59 pm to
High risk. He's not required to do anything at this point. I'd save it for trial.

If he lies or "misspeaks" he's in trouble.
Posted by arseinclarse
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Posted on 4/21/16 at 3:00 pm to
Hell no. Defense doesn't even put evidence on.
Posted by TigerFred
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Posted on 4/21/16 at 3:01 pm to
That is what I thought.

So his lawyer must think that his testimony would prevent a trial.

Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 4/21/16 at 3:01 pm to
is the raging shirtless guy going to show up or the mysterious witness scared for her life who witness untoward activity going to show up?
Posted by rt3
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Posted on 4/21/16 at 3:02 pm to
grand jury only decides if the prosecution has enough to indict someone on charges

has no bearing on guilt or innocence
Posted by arseinclarse
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Posted on 4/21/16 at 3:05 pm to
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untoward


Has definitely made its way into my vocabulary of late.
Posted by TigerFred
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Posted on 4/21/16 at 3:05 pm to
I figured that you, Redstick tigress, and bencoleman would go testify since y'all know exactly what happened.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 4/21/16 at 3:07 pm to
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I figured that you, Redstick tigress, and bencoleman would go testify since y'all know exactly what happened



good one fred.
Posted by arseinclarse
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 4/22/16 at 10:06 am to
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Ken Daley ?@Ken_Daley 4m4 minutes ago BREAKING: Retired NOPD captain Ceravolo hires defense attorney for Will Smith case @NOLANews


Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 4/22/16 at 10:07 am to
I don't think that's anything. Prudent to hire attorney if you are being called to testify in a high profile case.
Posted by ihometiger
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 4/22/16 at 2:50 pm to
NOPD investigating claims Will Smith may have fired first

"A source close to the investigation tells WWL First News that detectives are working to determine definitively if allegations are true that Smith not only got his gun out of his car, but fired at least one shot."

Cops are looking very seriously now into some witness reports and allegations that the former Saints player retrieved a gun from his car before he was shot and killed in a confrontation with another driver.

So there were 11 shots fired in total and Hayes gun only held 10 rounds leaving 1 fired round unaccounted for per NOLA

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I don't think that's anything. Prudent to hire attorney if you are being called to testify in a high profile case.


Federal investigators are reportedly also interested in the allegations of a cover up.
This post was edited on 4/22/16 at 2:51 pm
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