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Sleep Apnea Cure
Posted on 7/20/20 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 7/20/20 at 9:48 pm
This was mentioned on the Rogan show recently, which is what sparked his post. It's made my life better, and hopefully this will help someone else.
I used a palate expander to cure my snoring.
They're expandable retainers that are designed to enlarge your jaw over the course of a year or two.
I just don't snore anymore, but I've noticed other changes too. My posture used to be lopsided, and I habitually tilted my head towards the left, that's changed, I now stand perfectly upright. Nasal breathing is also a lot easier, both nostrils always work, which wasn't true. And it's easier to breathe through my nose - it isn't labored anymore. According to scans, my nasal chambers are larger now. They expanded as my jaw did.
I can run at full speed with my mouth closed now.
There are a number of devices out there, the ALF Appliance, The DNA Appliance, the Homeoblock. They probably all do the same thing in the end. There are also surgically assisted options, MSE, they work more quickly, but they're more expensive.
I used a palate expander to cure my snoring.
They're expandable retainers that are designed to enlarge your jaw over the course of a year or two.
I just don't snore anymore, but I've noticed other changes too. My posture used to be lopsided, and I habitually tilted my head towards the left, that's changed, I now stand perfectly upright. Nasal breathing is also a lot easier, both nostrils always work, which wasn't true. And it's easier to breathe through my nose - it isn't labored anymore. According to scans, my nasal chambers are larger now. They expanded as my jaw did.
I can run at full speed with my mouth closed now.
There are a number of devices out there, the ALF Appliance, The DNA Appliance, the Homeoblock. They probably all do the same thing in the end. There are also surgically assisted options, MSE, they work more quickly, but they're more expensive.
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Posted on 7/20/20 at 9:49 pm to Lima Whiskey
Any dental issues?
Posted on 7/20/20 at 9:50 pm to Lima Whiskey
Which episode?
Posted on 7/20/20 at 9:50 pm to Lima Whiskey
I use a CPAP now. I’m always congested, though not badly.
The CPAP has been a game changer for me, but I’d be interested in this
The CPAP has been a game changer for me, but I’d be interested in this
Posted on 7/20/20 at 9:50 pm to SATNIGHTS
#1506 - James Nestor
He wrote a book about breathing. At one point he talks about the palate expander that he used.
Edit - It's at about 1:14:00
He wrote a book about breathing. At one point he talks about the palate expander that he used.
Edit - It's at about 1:14:00
This post was edited on 7/20/20 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 7/20/20 at 9:51 pm to Lima Whiskey
FYI there is a big difference between snoring and OSA
Posted on 7/20/20 at 9:52 pm to dkreller
I read that there could be complications, I assume if you expand too quickly, that can cause trauma.
I was very conservative.
My teeth were very crowded before I began treatment. They look very symmetrical now. Even spacing.
I was very conservative.
My teeth were very crowded before I began treatment. They look very symmetrical now. Even spacing.
This post was edited on 7/20/20 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 7/20/20 at 9:53 pm to Coater
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FYI there is a big difference between snoring and OSA
Severity
Posted on 7/20/20 at 9:54 pm to Lima Whiskey
This helps Chevelle - sleep apnea
Posted on 7/20/20 at 9:58 pm to East Coast Band
Put a drop or 2 of Vick’s Liquid Vapo Steam in the humidifier when congested and that goes away.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 9:59 pm to Lima Whiskey
I always figured sleep apnea was caused by obesity
Posted on 7/20/20 at 10:03 pm to East Coast Band
I'm a believer - it's made my life better.
It does take time, and I'm going to guess, it works more quickly in younger patients. But I saw sleep improvements immediately.
My airway is about twice as large as when I began treatment.
My face has also become more symmetrical with treatment, which is something they mention. One half of my face was less developed, I saw growth there around the eyes and cheekbones.
It's not dramatic, but it's something that you notice in the before and after photos.
It does take time, and I'm going to guess, it works more quickly in younger patients. But I saw sleep improvements immediately.
My airway is about twice as large as when I began treatment.
My face has also become more symmetrical with treatment, which is something they mention. One half of my face was less developed, I saw growth there around the eyes and cheekbones.
It's not dramatic, but it's something that you notice in the before and after photos.
This post was edited on 7/20/20 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 7/20/20 at 10:04 pm to Tunasntigers92
I think it's a compounding factor. It makes the skeletal deficiency worse.
Our jaws are at least 1cm too narrow, on average, some people have jaws that are 2cm too narrow.
These measurements are taken at the first molar.
If you're really curious, this is my TLDR.
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Apnea occurs when your tongue slips backwards during sleep, obstructing your airway. Apnea causes a number of problems, from hormone imbalance, to chronic inflammation, to ED in men. Individuals with severe apnea wake up very groggy. Autoimmune diseases are common, and life expectancy is lower.
Apnea is more common in overweight patients, but the root cause is actually structural.
Our jaws are too small.
This is why we have crooked teeth. There isn't enough room for our adult teeth to emerge correctly. They collide with each other instead, and come out crowded, or at strange angles.
This is also why so many people end up getting their wisdom teeth taken out. The jaw hasn't grown enough to fit the correct number of teeth.
With proper jaw growth, extractions are unnecessary. Braces... judging from what I know now, are a bad idea, and probably retard growth, and ultimately cause problems.
Our smaller jaws are probably due to shifts in our diet, and the soft, processed, foods we eat now. Looking at skeletal records, bad teeth emerge when this diet shift occurs.
You can see the difference in native tribesmen. Hunter gathers all have broad faces, symmetrical features, and perfect teeth. Weston Price was the first westerner to observe this, he believed it was nutrition, but that seems unlikely.
You see more tooth wear in these peoples, their teeth get ground down from eating harder foods, but they have perfect teeth alignment, and they don't have cavities.
There are a number of physical changes that come with our smaller jaws. Because the upper jaw is too small, the lower jaw becomes trapped, and can't grow forward. This has two immediate repercussions, it impinges on the airway, making breathing more difficult, and second, the mandible grows in a more downward direction, rather than forward, the way it is intended to go.
As one internet orthodontist termed it, patients see their faces melt.
This also explains why some people have such poor posture, craning their neck forward all day, rather than standing straight. They tip their neck forward because it opens up their airway, making breathing easier.
On the other side, it results in smaller sinus chambers, and makes nasal breathing more difficult, if not impossible. Patients usually end up mouth breathing which also impairs your health, you're bypassing the nasal chambers that are designed to filter and humidify air.
Our jaws are at least 1cm too narrow, on average, some people have jaws that are 2cm too narrow.
These measurements are taken at the first molar.
If you're really curious, this is my TLDR.
-
Apnea occurs when your tongue slips backwards during sleep, obstructing your airway. Apnea causes a number of problems, from hormone imbalance, to chronic inflammation, to ED in men. Individuals with severe apnea wake up very groggy. Autoimmune diseases are common, and life expectancy is lower.
Apnea is more common in overweight patients, but the root cause is actually structural.
Our jaws are too small.
This is why we have crooked teeth. There isn't enough room for our adult teeth to emerge correctly. They collide with each other instead, and come out crowded, or at strange angles.
This is also why so many people end up getting their wisdom teeth taken out. The jaw hasn't grown enough to fit the correct number of teeth.
With proper jaw growth, extractions are unnecessary. Braces... judging from what I know now, are a bad idea, and probably retard growth, and ultimately cause problems.
Our smaller jaws are probably due to shifts in our diet, and the soft, processed, foods we eat now. Looking at skeletal records, bad teeth emerge when this diet shift occurs.
You can see the difference in native tribesmen. Hunter gathers all have broad faces, symmetrical features, and perfect teeth. Weston Price was the first westerner to observe this, he believed it was nutrition, but that seems unlikely.
You see more tooth wear in these peoples, their teeth get ground down from eating harder foods, but they have perfect teeth alignment, and they don't have cavities.
There are a number of physical changes that come with our smaller jaws. Because the upper jaw is too small, the lower jaw becomes trapped, and can't grow forward. This has two immediate repercussions, it impinges on the airway, making breathing more difficult, and second, the mandible grows in a more downward direction, rather than forward, the way it is intended to go.
As one internet orthodontist termed it, patients see their faces melt.
This also explains why some people have such poor posture, craning their neck forward all day, rather than standing straight. They tip their neck forward because it opens up their airway, making breathing easier.
On the other side, it results in smaller sinus chambers, and makes nasal breathing more difficult, if not impossible. Patients usually end up mouth breathing which also impairs your health, you're bypassing the nasal chambers that are designed to filter and humidify air.
This post was edited on 7/20/20 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 7/20/20 at 10:08 pm to Lima Whiskey
For the vast majority of sleep apnea, the cure is lose weight
Posted on 7/20/20 at 10:09 pm to Lima Whiskey
Lose weight
Posted on 7/20/20 at 10:09 pm to Tunasntigers92
Sleep apnea can be caused by obesity, just like diabetes. However, there are many skinny people with diabetes as well as sleep apnea.
Posted on 7/20/20 at 10:10 pm to sand mountainDvalues
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Lose weight
I'm 6 foot and I weight 162 pounds.
This post was edited on 7/20/20 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 7/20/20 at 10:47 pm to Lima Whiskey
Which palate extender do you use? How did you go about getting it?
Posted on 7/20/20 at 10:48 pm to Lima Whiskey
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I can run at full speed with my mouth closed now.
I don’t know why I can’t stop laughing at this
Posted on 7/20/20 at 10:57 pm to SlimCharles140
I ordered a DNA Appliance which is much more expensive than the other options. But it may be covered by insurance, if you're persistent.
It's FDA approved for apnea treatment, which is why I selected it.
Looking back I don't know if the premium is worth it. The Homeoblock may do the same thing.
Their website lists the dentists and orthodontists who are licensed to offer it though.
I saw a few over the course of my treatment due to moves and travel. Most were just dentists looking for an extra income stream. One was really into the science though and could really answer questions.
Once I got the appliance, they would check on me once a month, do a sleep test, and occasionally bend the wires on the retainer to help "guide" growth.
The whole process was painless. It took a while though.
It's FDA approved for apnea treatment, which is why I selected it.
Looking back I don't know if the premium is worth it. The Homeoblock may do the same thing.
Their website lists the dentists and orthodontists who are licensed to offer it though.
I saw a few over the course of my treatment due to moves and travel. Most were just dentists looking for an extra income stream. One was really into the science though and could really answer questions.
Once I got the appliance, they would check on me once a month, do a sleep test, and occasionally bend the wires on the retainer to help "guide" growth.
The whole process was painless. It took a while though.
This post was edited on 7/20/20 at 11:02 pm
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