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re: Sleep Apnea Cure
Posted on 7/21/20 at 1:41 pm to DJ3K
Posted on 7/21/20 at 1:41 pm to DJ3K
Haven't read the entire thread yet, but 3 years ago I had the UPPP surgery. Had two sleep studies done, the second with a CPAP, which I hated, and decided to opt for surgery and a week of recovery rather than spend every night hooked up to a CPAP. The premise sounds similar to this jaw widening device, you just want to free up airway at the back of your jaw and throat.
I was 5'7", around 185 at the time. So slightly overweight, but nowhere near obese. Plus I tend to carry more weight in my legs, and not a lot extra around my stomach. I'm a little stocky, not skinny. The ENT said that one side effect would be weight loss, due to not being able to eat much for several days after surgery, and if I could keep at least 10-15 pounds of that off, and stay in the 170-175 range, it would also help with the apnea. They removed my tonsils, which were also enlarged, and removed the uvula. My father had a similar procedure done in the 90s, and it helped his snoring some but also helped the occurrences of breathing stopping while he slept.
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UPPP involves removal of the tonsils, the posterior surface of the soft palate, and the uvula. The uvula is then folded toward the soft palate and sutured together as demonstrated in the figures. In the US, UPPP is the most commonly performed procedure for obstructive sleep apnea with approximately 33,000 procedures performed per year. The surgery is more successful in patients who are not obese, and there is a limited role in morbidly obese (>40 kg/m2) individuals.
I was 5'7", around 185 at the time. So slightly overweight, but nowhere near obese. Plus I tend to carry more weight in my legs, and not a lot extra around my stomach. I'm a little stocky, not skinny. The ENT said that one side effect would be weight loss, due to not being able to eat much for several days after surgery, and if I could keep at least 10-15 pounds of that off, and stay in the 170-175 range, it would also help with the apnea. They removed my tonsils, which were also enlarged, and removed the uvula. My father had a similar procedure done in the 90s, and it helped his snoring some but also helped the occurrences of breathing stopping while he slept.
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 3:51 pm to DJ3K
I wouldn’t be a candidate for surgery.
I don’t have that kind of physical disability, and most surgeons would look at my bone structure and say, no.
The potential for making things worse is real, and they would consider surgery unethical.
On a personal level, surgery is an art form, and I wouldn’t be comfortable undergoing it.
The palate expander approach is much slower, but it produces very natural results which was important to me. It also helps with asymmetries, which I had lot of.
I don’t have that kind of physical disability, and most surgeons would look at my bone structure and say, no.
The potential for making things worse is real, and they would consider surgery unethical.
On a personal level, surgery is an art form, and I wouldn’t be comfortable undergoing it.
The palate expander approach is much slower, but it produces very natural results which was important to me. It also helps with asymmetries, which I had lot of.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 4:03 pm to Lima Whiskey
Lima,
Question, did your sleep apnea affect your blood pressure and did this palate extender treatment help with the BP ?
Question, did your sleep apnea affect your blood pressure and did this palate extender treatment help with the BP ?
Posted on 7/21/20 at 4:29 pm to KiwiHead
I’ve always been told my blood pressure is normal. If there have been changes, I haven’t tracked them.
If apnea causes blood pressure issues, then I assume the device would help.
If apnea causes blood pressure issues, then I assume the device would help.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 5:20 pm to Lima Whiskey
My wife's sleep apnea was so severe she had surgery. They broke her jaw and moved it forward and screwed it in place. It changed her facial structure and she went through a lot of pain for several weeks after surgery. Her jaw was wired shut for almost 8 weeks. That was 10 years ago and no more sleep apnea and very little snoring.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 5:26 pm to Iron Lion
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My wife's sleep apnea was so severe
Shoulda told her BJs cure sleep apnea
Posted on 7/21/20 at 8:17 pm to thelawnwranglers
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What's your cleaning regiment
I have to admit I don’t clean as I should
I clean with baby shampoo about twice a week
Posted on 7/21/20 at 8:24 pm to Lima Whiskey
I have had sinus issues all of my life. Braces in adolescence for 5 years. Broke my nose at 17 which led to a deviated septum. I have barely any breathing ability out of one nostril and labored breathing out of the other.
I have to sleep with a glass of water near my bed as I breath entirely through my mouth and it get parched often.
Lately I’ve noticed an increase of these dreams where something startles me. It wakes me up and I notice my heart racing and I feel short of breath.
I’m starting to think this is my body’s way of alerting me that I’m not breathing at certain times in the night.
I wake up feeling fatigued and tire more easily than I used to. I put it off as just getting older, but now you have me thinking I could have sleep apnea and need to take a burr grinder to my nasal passages.
I have to sleep with a glass of water near my bed as I breath entirely through my mouth and it get parched often.
Lately I’ve noticed an increase of these dreams where something startles me. It wakes me up and I notice my heart racing and I feel short of breath.
I’m starting to think this is my body’s way of alerting me that I’m not breathing at certain times in the night.
I wake up feeling fatigued and tire more easily than I used to. I put it off as just getting older, but now you have me thinking I could have sleep apnea and need to take a burr grinder to my nasal passages.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:49 pm to East Coast Band
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have to admit I don’t clean as I should
I clean with baby shampoo about twice a week
I like my soclean
I was terrible about cleaning
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:55 pm to Lima Whiskey
Have you tried DMT?
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:11 pm to thelawnwranglers
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I like my soclean
I was terrible about cleaning
They're too expensive for me.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:27 pm to Lima Whiskey
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I'm 6 foot and I weight 162 pounds.
Someone get this guy a cheeseburger!
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:57 pm to East Coast Band
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They're too expensive for me.
Our company offers a payment plan in four installments if you're interested.
We offer SoCleans, Sleep 8s, and one by Lumin.
The Sleep 8 and Lumin would cost $249 total.
So Clean is the most expensive at $349.
Let me know if that's something you'd like to discuss. There are plenty of other cleaning supplies offered, too.
This post was edited on 7/22/20 at 12:02 am
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:01 pm to East Coast Band
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The CPAP has been a game changer for me,
I've heard that those things produce MASSIVE improvements for people with Sleep Apnea.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:11 pm to scionofadrunk
$249 for a simple little cleaner is absurd. This is what I hate about the medical industry. Simple things cost entirely too much.
There can't be more than $20 worth of materials in one of those.
There can't be more than $20 worth of materials in one of those.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:16 pm to goofball
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The CPAP has been a game changer for me,
I've heard that those things produce MASSIVE improvements for people with Sleep Apnea.
I didn't think it would,but it did.
I don't snore anymore, but that's the least of it. I sleep much better, need fewer hours of sleep.
I don't even wake up to go to the bathroom anymore, when I used to have to go in the middle of almost every night.
I used to sweat through the night, no more.
I'm most certain this has helped things like my heart condition and other vitals.
My sleep study revealed I stopped breathing about 28 times an hour, considered "moderate", but for sometimes up to one minute, which is alarming.
The wife could confirm y, because sometimes she'd see me gasping in my sleep and she'd nudge me thinking I had completely stopped breathing.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:31 pm to East Coast Band
I know, and none of them are (usually) covered by insurance. I don't like it either. The medical supply industry takes full advantage of inelastic goods. It's like that for me when I have to buy my EpiPens. They know you have no choice, and they gouge you.
When more cleaning machines from different manufacturers enter the market, the prices will have to come down. We'll have to rely on competition to make these things more affordable.
When more cleaning machines from different manufacturers enter the market, the prices will have to come down. We'll have to rely on competition to make these things more affordable.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 1:20 pm to East Coast Band
I believe my rating was 24, on average.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 6:55 pm to Lima Whiskey
My apnea is severe. I've had 2 sinus surgeries. This thread is eye opening. But, I don't think I'd live long without my CPAP. Do you think it would be possible to wear the device in the day while at the computer and use the CPAP at night? Thank you!
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