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re: Sleep Apnea Cure

Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:40 am to
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:40 am to
I think it's kinda important to note here that there are two types of sleep apnea, obstructive and central (your brain not sending the impulse to breathe while sleeping). Obstructive being the one that can sometimes be helped by losing weight, and that the dental type things discussed in this thread can help fix. If you have central sleep apnea or both, this solution probably isn't going to help you.
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 1:40 am
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:44 am to
Thank you
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
10058 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 1:38 am to
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Thank you



I'm one of those people with both, and I have major allergies/breakouts due to the masks that make me pretty much unable to use my bipap. I wish what you used was an option for me.
Posted by ihometiger
Member since Dec 2013
12475 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 3:01 am to
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I'm 6 foot and I weight 162 pounds


Run Forest Run
Posted by Das_Wanda_kid
Member since Apr 2017
438 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 3:26 am to
I have always had problems breathing in and out of my nose. It always feels restricted and my sinuses/allergies give me issues daily. I’m 6’4 and 240. I should lose 10-15 lbs but I’m pretty comfortable at my weight.

I have been on the CPAP for about 6 years. I never snore when sleeping without the machine. I would always sleep on my side or stomach. It took a good year of going to Dr’s to figure out I have sleep apnea because I don’t have a thick neck and large belly.

You have got me thinking when you said you can’t breathe out of your nose. I had braces to fix an underbite In grade school.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33655 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 4:53 am to
One of my kids had one and it worked very well as an orthodontic measure. Braces came after and kids grill is perfect now.

That said, he’s not fat and doesn’t suffer apnea.
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
12138 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 5:38 am to
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Lose weight


In his tongue?
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
96300 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 8:00 am to
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Homeoblock


I read this as "Homoblock" at first.

Does that make me a bad person?
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42544 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 8:00 am to
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I use a CPAP now. I’m always congested, though not badly.
The CPAP has been a game changer for me, but I’d be interested in this




What's your cleaning regiment
Posted by eddieray
Lafayette
Member since Mar 2006
19532 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 8:02 am to
I leave my sleep apnea untreated because, who doesn’t want to die in their sleep?
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:31 am to
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You have got me thinking when you said you can’t breathe out of your nose. I had braces to fix an underbite In grade school.


My nose flows freely now. There’s much less resistance.

My sense of smell has also improved, I don’t know what normal is like - but it’s better.

I was always a stomach sleeper, my doctor told me it’s a coping mechanism. That posture opens up your airway. I find myself sleeping on my side now.
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 9:53 am
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:48 am to




These are from the Homeoblock website. It gives you an idea of the structural changes you see. I think these were taken at the two year mark.

He develops a better jaw line for probably two reasons - one weight loss, but his mandible actually moves forward as the upper jaw expands.

It’s hard to tell, but his head also looks more upright. He loses his chicken neck.

LINK

This is a time lapse video, it’s intended to show the improvements in symmetry from wearing one of these
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42813 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:52 am to
A recent one, like 2 or 3 shows ago I think?
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42813 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:59 am to
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I'm not being sarcastic, or asking in jest, what do you mean by this?




Stanford University Press: Jaws-The Story if a Hidden Epidemic
Posted by just1dawg
Virginia
Member since Dec 2011
1496 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:13 am to
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You can see the difference in native tribesmen. Hunter gathers all have broad faces, symmetrical features, and perfect teeth. Weston Price was the first westerner to observe this, he believed it was nutrition, but that seems unlikely.

I've read Dr. Price's "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration." The answer absolutely is proper nutrition. Those who ate native diets, all over the world, had ideal faces and teeth (Dr. Price was a dentist). Those who ate too much sugar, white flour, and canned foods, did not.

What's interesting is how varied the diets of the peoples observed were. Many cultures emphasized seafood (even if they had to travel a long way to get it), fermentation, and low sugar diets. He examined Masai in Africa, Swiss in the Alps, Inuit in Canada, Aborigines in Australia, Gaelics in the Outer Hebrides, Maori in New Zealand, etc. It has pictures that show grandmothers with perfect teeth and beautifully developed jaws (eating native diets) while their grandchildren have crowded, too small mouths with crooked teeth (eating modern diets).
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
21286 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:30 am to
Insurance which requires medical prescription?
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:43 am to
Yes, I was told that most companies eventually approved it, if you’re patient and go through the appeals process. You probably need to be CPAP intolerant.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42813 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:43 am to
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How is the expandable retainer different from the retainers orthodontists give to teenagers who get their braces taken off?


I believe these are tied to teeth straightening and are not adjustable. The ones being discussed are adjustable and not actually focused on teeth as much as jaw
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:50 am to
The hard food and chewing argument makes sense to me. The repeated physical stress would build bone mass. But this is not my area of expertise, in any way.

Dr. Belfor, who created one of these devices, believes it’s hard food. He was creating tooth alignment devices that had a hard plastic ridge on one side. These were effectively fixed retainers, with metal springs that would push the teeth into position. He was selling them to broadway actors who wanted better smiles. He found that over time, that his patients experienced bone growth. And he theorized that his patients were chewing on the plastic, and this was triggering growth.

That’s how he got into the field.

Our standard diets are awful though. I try to avoid processed foods and eat like my grandparents and great grandparents did.

That’s driven by skepticism - I don’t trust what we say about nutrition, it seems that what we know is constantly changing. I would like to believe that eating a traditional diet, or foods we’ve eaten for centuries at least, is a good option.

I did Keto for a while and the anti inflammatory effects were amazing. With the way inflammation impairs bone growth, I imagine it could stunt jaw growth.
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 11:10 am
Posted by DJ3K
Member since Dec 2011
7511 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 1:32 pm to
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palate expander 


You're prolonging the issue. I'd rather just have a clean break on my jawline and let professionals reset it to the point where it is in permanent position while I'm young enough to recover properly than wear a retainer every night

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