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Should individual states require citizenship tests and Oaths of Allegiance?
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:57 am
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:57 am
For national citizenship, you have to be a permanent resident for 5 years, fill out some forms, pay some fees, take a test, and swear an oath.
For state citizenship, you just have to move to the new state, change your address, and register to vote.
Question: Can (as in, is it Constitutional?) and should states require a comprehensive naturalization process to establish citizenship?
For state citizenship, you just have to move to the new state, change your address, and register to vote.
Question: Can (as in, is it Constitutional?) and should states require a comprehensive naturalization process to establish citizenship?
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:58 am to UndercoverBryologist
Major Starship Troopers vibes here.
SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP.
SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:59 am to Volvagia
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SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP.
The military already does this.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:01 am to UndercoverBryologist
I don't know about all that, but we definitely need to be teaching the importance of state and local politics in schools.
People focus way too much on the national/Federal elections, and barely pay attention to state, much less local elections. They are the buffer (or should be) between the Federal government and you. Yet, most people can't find a single shite to give about it.
People focus way too much on the national/Federal elections, and barely pay attention to state, much less local elections. They are the buffer (or should be) between the Federal government and you. Yet, most people can't find a single shite to give about it.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:02 am to UndercoverBryologist
That may go against the full faith and credit clause
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:02 am to UndercoverBryologist
quote:NOPE
swear an oath.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:04 am to grizzlylongcut
While technically true, you night want to rewatch it, or better yet, read the book. You’d may get what I was referring to then.
Citizenship is regarded far differently and with different privileges. You also aren’t granted it from birth.
Citizenship is regarded far differently and with different privileges. You also aren’t granted it from birth.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:04 am to JetsetNuggs
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That may go against the full faith and credit clause
At the risk of derailing this thread into a "2020 Elections thread", ostensibly, states do have a right to establish some criteria for voter eligibility. Would a citizenship test violate that?
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:11 am to Volvagia
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Major Starship Troopers vibes here.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:23 am to UndercoverBryologist
So you want the US to become Switzerland?
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:25 am to McVick
A lot of white liberal do want us to become just like those white homogeneous European countries.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:27 am to McVick
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So you want the US to become Switzerland?
Switzerland is a confederation, which, on the spectrum of sovereignty between national and regional governments, places a higher level of sovereignty with the regional governments compared to federal governments.
So, what you're saying is that, as a federal government, there is a de facto open border policy between state governments? (Honest question. I wasn't a poli-sci major, so I may not know all the technicalities the way some people do.)
Posted on 10/19/21 at 12:43 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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Would a citizenship test violate that?
I’m not a lawyer so I’m probably just taking out of my arse, but I’d guess the argument is if a citizenship test is an undue constraint on someone compared to the laws of the state they’re coming from
Posted on 10/19/21 at 9:12 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Under the Constitution, someone who is a citizen of the United States is, by virtue of that fact alone, a citizen of the state in which he or she resides:
So the state cannot impose some additional test or requirement--doing so would be pretty clearly unconstitutional.
Now the more interesting / disturbing question will be when some whackadoodle state like the People's Republic of California declares, as a matter of its state constitution and/or state laws, that people who are not citizens of the United States, especially illegal aliens*, are citizens of the state. I'm not sure what the law is on that. I sure hope the answer is that any such provision would be federally unconstitutional.
*No, they are not "undocumented" people. Undocumented is what you are if you came here legally, remain within the legal terms of your coming here, and simply lost your passport. If you are a non-citizen in the U.S. contrary to the laws of the U.S., then you are ipso facto an illegal alien. Now how we deal with such people is another can of worms.
quote:Constitution at U.S. Senate website
Amendment XIV
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
So the state cannot impose some additional test or requirement--doing so would be pretty clearly unconstitutional.
Now the more interesting / disturbing question will be when some whackadoodle state like the People's Republic of California declares, as a matter of its state constitution and/or state laws, that people who are not citizens of the United States, especially illegal aliens*, are citizens of the state. I'm not sure what the law is on that. I sure hope the answer is that any such provision would be federally unconstitutional.
*No, they are not "undocumented" people. Undocumented is what you are if you came here legally, remain within the legal terms of your coming here, and simply lost your passport. If you are a non-citizen in the U.S. contrary to the laws of the U.S., then you are ipso facto an illegal alien. Now how we deal with such people is another can of worms.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 9:15 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Dumb idea is dumb.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:07 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Swearing allegiance as a requirement seems like it is going the opposite of our first amendment. And government taking more money isn't going to solve anything either, it's just another way they can gain our dollars and reduce the ability for poor folks to try and find opportunity. Gonna be a no for me on this.
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