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Should individual states require citizenship tests and Oaths of Allegiance?

Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:57 am
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:57 am
For national citizenship, you have to be a permanent resident for 5 years, fill out some forms, pay some fees, take a test, and swear an oath.

For state citizenship, you just have to move to the new state, change your address, and register to vote.

Question: Can (as in, is it Constitutional?) and should states require a comprehensive naturalization process to establish citizenship?
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51904 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:58 am to
Major Starship Troopers vibes here.

SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP.
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
9457 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:59 am to
quote:

SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP.


The military already does this.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
53962 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:01 am to
I don't know about all that, but we definitely need to be teaching the importance of state and local politics in schools.

People focus way too much on the national/Federal elections, and barely pay attention to state, much less local elections. They are the buffer (or should be) between the Federal government and you. Yet, most people can't find a single shite to give about it.
Posted by JetsetNuggs
Member since Jun 2014
13910 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:02 am to
That may go against the full faith and credit clause
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6549 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:02 am to
quote:

swear an oath.
NOPE
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51904 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:04 am to
While technically true, you night want to rewatch it, or better yet, read the book. You’d may get what I was referring to then.

Citizenship is regarded far differently and with different privileges. You also aren’t granted it from birth.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:04 am to
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That may go against the full faith and credit clause



At the risk of derailing this thread into a "2020 Elections thread", ostensibly, states do have a right to establish some criteria for voter eligibility. Would a citizenship test violate that?
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
24729 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:11 am to
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Major Starship Troopers vibes here.


Posted by McVick
Member since Jan 2011
4467 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:23 am to
So you want the US to become Switzerland?
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68593 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:25 am to
A lot of white liberal do want us to become just like those white homogeneous European countries.

Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:27 am to
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So you want the US to become Switzerland?



Switzerland is a confederation, which, on the spectrum of sovereignty between national and regional governments, places a higher level of sovereignty with the regional governments compared to federal governments.

So, what you're saying is that, as a federal government, there is a de facto open border policy between state governments? (Honest question. I wasn't a poli-sci major, so I may not know all the technicalities the way some people do.)
Posted by JetsetNuggs
Member since Jun 2014
13910 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 12:43 pm to
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Would a citizenship test violate that?


I’m not a lawyer so I’m probably just taking out of my arse, but I’d guess the argument is if a citizenship test is an undue constraint on someone compared to the laws of the state they’re coming from
Posted by NOLATiger163
Insane State of NOLA
Member since Aug 2018
453 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 9:12 pm to
Under the Constitution, someone who is a citizen of the United States is, by virtue of that fact alone, a citizen of the state in which he or she resides:
quote:

Amendment XIV
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Constitution at U.S. Senate website

So the state cannot impose some additional test or requirement--doing so would be pretty clearly unconstitutional.

Now the more interesting / disturbing question will be when some whackadoodle state like the People's Republic of California declares, as a matter of its state constitution and/or state laws, that people who are not citizens of the United States, especially illegal aliens*, are citizens of the state. I'm not sure what the law is on that. I sure hope the answer is that any such provision would be federally unconstitutional.

*No, they are not "undocumented" people. Undocumented is what you are if you came here legally, remain within the legal terms of your coming here, and simply lost your passport. If you are a non-citizen in the U.S. contrary to the laws of the U.S., then you are ipso facto an illegal alien. Now how we deal with such people is another can of worms.
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
20377 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 9:15 pm to
Dumb idea is dumb.
Posted by Montezuma
Member since Apr 2013
3629 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:07 pm to
Swearing allegiance as a requirement seems like it is going the opposite of our first amendment. And government taking more money isn't going to solve anything either, it's just another way they can gain our dollars and reduce the ability for poor folks to try and find opportunity. Gonna be a no for me on this.
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