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re: Shooting at Orlando gay club: 50 Dead, 53 Injured, Shooter is Radical Muslim
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:19 am to Clames
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:19 am to Clames
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Think you need to go bark up another tree. Shooter didn't use an AR15 anyway.
I'm pro-gun, but that's still an AR piston style platform. All the controls are even in the same place.
A $1700 SIG MCX used in the shooting.
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If there were any honest journalists they'd be wondering how the terrorist paid for two major gun purchases within 10 days working as a security guard, or was he?
To quote Old Willy Shakespeare:
"What’s in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet"
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 8:33 am
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:26 am to beauchristopher
quote:He was also found to have been researching radical sites on the internet as well.
It really doesn't make a difference here because he pledged to Isis
Social media is a gun grabbing shitstorm this week. The marching orders have been distributed to the lemmings and they are going all out. They don't even think about what they're saying. Their ideological masters have spoken and they obey.
How does this not encourage more of these kinds of crimes? A jihadist commits a clear jihadist mass murder and half of America wants to ban guns and disarm the populace.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:43 am to Gnar Cat21
Guns are not the problem. Never have been. Hate is the problem , pretty simple to understand imo.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:50 am to Shexter
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If there were any honest journalists they'd be wondering how the terrorist paid for two major gun purchases within 10 days working as a security guard, or was he?
Credit cards?
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:07 am to TheCaterpillar
Shooter possibly conflicted sexually according to father
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While many have condemned the attack at the Pulse nightclub as a hate crime against the gay community, and his own father suggested Mateen may have acted out of anti-gay hatred, reports have surfaced that Mateen himself was a regular there. "He was trying to pick up people. Men," Jim Van Horn, 71, told The Associated Press. "He would walk up to them and then he would maybe put his arm around them or something and maybe try to get them to dance a little bit or something. And then go over and buy a drink or something. That's what people do at gay bars, you know? That's what we do." The Orlando Sentinel and other news organizations quoted other Pulse regulars who said they had seen Mateen there a number of times. "Sometimes he would go over in the corner and sit and drink by himself, and other times he would get so drunk he was loud and belligerent," Ty Smith said.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:08 am to NashBamaFan
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Guns are not the problem. Never have been. Hate is the problem , pretty simple to understand imo.
The biggest problem I see in this is that no good guys had guns to protect themselves
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:14 am to lsu480
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assault weapon
Ah yes... ASSAULT weapons. The term assault rifle historically refers to weapons with selective fire (full-auto). So at some point in recent history a legislator from California decided to spin that into a dirty word that would cover semi-auto rifles as well (ASSAULT WEAPONS). Now the lines are all blurred and misrepresented by the liberal media... which is why you have ignorant people saying that every mass shooting is done with "automatic weapons" when in reality it's next to impossible to own a fully automatic rifle unless you have a lot of time and a lot of money.
FYI until California skewed the definition of ASSAULT WEAPON it was only used to describe rocket launchers and grenade launchers... now it's used to describe hunting rifles.
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 9:16 am
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:18 am to biglego
People are beginning to buy into the lefty's spin on him being gay. HELLO! He pledged allegiance to radical groups. His reason for doing so is un-important. They are hate groups and influenced him to do this.
Every terrorist has a reason for their acts. If that person claims a connection to an organization you have a direct link, justified or not.
SO being a closeted gay that killed other gays because ISIS hates gays and wants them dead cannot be blamed on him being gay. .... or are we not to trust gays now because they may be terrorists too?
Every terrorist has a reason for their acts. If that person claims a connection to an organization you have a direct link, justified or not.
SO being a closeted gay that killed other gays because ISIS hates gays and wants them dead cannot be blamed on him being gay. .... or are we not to trust gays now because they may be terrorists too?
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:23 am to Redbone
You know absolutely nothing about this guy, one way or the other, but your "opinion" is noted.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:25 am to xxKylexx
At what point do we blame the parents for creating a monster like this?
His dad is a terrorist sympathizer. His family supports the Tali Ban. His dad has some sort of internet show that is full of radical pig/goat fricking muslim ideas.
If his dad was Les Miles, there is a 0% chance he shoots up a night club.
If his dad was the manager at Home Depot, do you think he does this?
His family and community upbringing are culpable for his ideals IMO, which brings up the larger issue that Muslims, in general, are a problem globally.
His dad is a terrorist sympathizer. His family supports the Tali Ban. His dad has some sort of internet show that is full of radical pig/goat fricking muslim ideas.
If his dad was Les Miles, there is a 0% chance he shoots up a night club.
If his dad was the manager at Home Depot, do you think he does this?
His family and community upbringing are culpable for his ideals IMO, which brings up the larger issue that Muslims, in general, are a problem globally.
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 9:29 am
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:25 am to blueboy
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and half of America wants to ban guns and disarm the populace.
It may be 50%, I didn't fact check, but the number is unbelievably high. The reason it's that high is because of ignorance. The reason for that ignorance lies squarely on the back of the liberal press.
Little do the stupid bastards (press) realize is if we give up guns the next right they grab is the press.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:40 am to NashBamaFan
quote:Hate and horrible upbringings. He has a crazy father and surrounded by a culture that condemns the feelings that he apparently had. Not only that, he was also apparently unsuccessful in getting the attention that he wanted. Remember the rich kid in California that couldn't get a girl so he went on a rampage? The simple hate narrative doesn't fit anymore if he was actually gay. He didn't hate them. He was jealous of them. He couldn't have what they had.
Hate is the problem
There are so many layers to all of this. It's not one issue. It isn't just hate. It isn't just guns. It isn't just Islam. It isn't just mental health. They ALL play a role. Hell, I'm beginning to think that a society that promotes that "everyone is special" and "you can get whatever you want if you work hard enough" is also part of the problem. Yes, everyone deserves to live but you really aren't all that special and you can't get whatever you want all the time. Even if you work really, really hard. Then we have the internet which is obviously perpetuating a lot of the anger these people have. I'm not a psychologist but I think they all need to get together and start figuring this shite out. They need to start recommending that we teach our kids that you won't get everything you want, you won't be happy all the time and that's ok. You can't be angry about it.
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 9:46 am
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:41 am to Redbone
so now that we know he frequented gay clubs and used a gay dating app called jack'd does ISIS still claim this guy bc it sounds like he was low-key gay.
Also
Thats just ignorant, everyone has credit cards, if you're going to die you clearly dont care about paying them back. Moreover, the guy has been working for years its not that hard to save up a few k.
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If there were any honest journalists they'd be wondering how the terrorist paid for two major gun purchases within 10 days working as a security guard, or was he?
Thats just ignorant, everyone has credit cards, if you're going to die you clearly dont care about paying them back. Moreover, the guy has been working for years its not that hard to save up a few k.
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 9:44 am
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:50 am to sicboy
not too surprising, I kind of figured as much. Especially when I read something yesterday where the guy was freaking out calling and texting a dude non stop when the guy said he no longer wanted to work with him.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:06 am to Shexter
quote:where the buffer tube?
I'm pro-gun, but that's still an AR piston style platform. All the controls are even in the same place.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:11 am to Winkface
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There are so many layers to all of this. It's not one issue. It isn't just hate. It isn't just guns. It isn't just Islam. It isn't just mental health. They ALL play a role. Hell, I'm beginning to think that a society that promotes that "everyone is special" and "you can get whatever you want if you work hard enough" is also part of the problem. Yes, everyone deserves to live but you really aren't all that special and you can't get whatever you want all the time. Even if you work really, really hard. Then we have the internet which is obviously perpetuating a lot of the anger these people have. I'm not a psychologist but I think they all need to get together and start figuring this shite out. They need to start recommending that we teach our kids that you won't get everything you want, you won't be happy all the time and that's ok. You can't be angry about it.
So youre basically saying that we need to stop handing out participation trophies and only give trohpies to winners from now on....the way it's supposed to be.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:15 am to Redbone
quote:They don't have to "grab" it. They have slowly worked their people into it for generations. They're almost totally complicit now, and in a generation or two, they will be.
Little do the stupid bastards (press) realize is if we give up guns the next right they grab is the press.
To me, the next target will be internet freedoms. Lot's of "wrong thinkers" there.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:40 am to RabidTiger
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Plus he went over a period of two years and was hanging out and getting drunk. Doesn't really fit with casing the place.
Which is also a big taboo is Islamic culture. I'm not saying he wasn't a terrorist, but I think there's more to it than he had extremist views and that he may not have been a terrorist insofar as he was actually out to effect some political change through his acts. The more I look into it, the more it seems like this guy was fighting against his true nature as the result of a repressive religious compunction and parental pressure that ultimately boiled over into him killing a bunch of people who reminded him of who he really was and hated. The declaration for ISIS was a way to throw off the scent. He didn't even know the difference between Al Qaeda and Hezbollah. The man hid beneath a veil of terrorism to hide his anger at himself. He projected that anger onto the world.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:42 am to blueboy
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Tom Winter ?@Tom_Winter
NBC NEWS EXCLUSIVE: Wife of Orlando shooter has told FBI that she tried to talk her husband out of the attack and is cooperating sources say
ETA:
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New Orleans Advocate ?@theadvocateno
Orlando massacre latest: shooter reportedly frequented nightclub, used gay dating apps LINK
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 10:44 am
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:43 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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The biggest problem I see in this is that no good guys had guns to protect themselves
The biggest problem is that guns are so readily available that a guy who was questioned by the FBI and who was on a watch list had no problem obtaining them.
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