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re: Shocker: study suggests insurance companies are breaking it off in our butts

Posted on 5/1/26 at 6:38 pm to
Posted by DCtiger1
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 6:38 pm to
I'm an insurance agent you've provided plenty of logical debate. Those supporting the OPs narrative not so much
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 6:57 pm to
Patrick Mahomes needs to get paid though
Posted by SquatchDawg
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 7:00 pm to
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Businesses would be members and elect a board of directors that would pay to have a risk and cost analysis done each year on all members and board decides the rates


This would be insolvent in 5 years. You don’t want the people that have to pay the bills setting the rates. Plus, the minute somebody came up with something 3% cheaper everyone would leave.
Posted by SquatchDawg
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 7:10 pm to
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2025: Estimated $63 billion gain, a significant leap from the $23 billion gain in 2024


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Worth noting here that in 2025, the premiums paid for P&C eclipsed $1T for the first time.


So you’re pissed about a 6.3% profit margin?
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 7:44 pm to
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So you’re pissed about a 6.3% profit margin?

That’s margin from premiums alone.

Average EBITDA for P&C is 15-20%

High performing companies up to 30%.

The number of shills for Americas most comical con crack me up. You wouldn’t know you were getting fricked if you saw the dick in your arse.
Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 7:51 pm to
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There are many years where the combined ratios are pushing 110%.

9/11 and the 1984 price wars are the only years on record in my life over 110%

2011 massive tornado outbreak, another outlier, was close.

Meanwhile, the recent 93% is an industry record.
Posted by Nuts
Michigan
Member since Oct 2011
1150 posts
Posted on 5/1/26 at 7:55 pm to
I'm curious to know what the Sherman-Furgeson act did to raise barriers into entry into the market.

Monopolies/oligopolies/cartels dont exist or manifest without assistance and/or regulation from the state.

Of course, there's any number of codes perpetuated that help out the lobbying sector of an industry you choose that puts business and pay to play first and always before the best interest of the American tax payer.

.... but i guess that's all besides the point because democrats are communists that hate America and republicans are nazis that are blindly following a cult of personality.

I'm looking forward to the downfall personally.

I hope I'm wrong, but we're so fricked.
This post was edited on 5/1/26 at 7:59 pm
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11788 posts
Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:01 pm to
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9/11 and the 1984 price wars are the only years on record in my life over 110%


Factually horseshite. Who the frick uses industry wide averages for combined ratios

Largest insurer in the nation

Combined ratio in 2022:
Auto: 127%
Fire: 110%

This post was edited on 5/1/26 at 8:03 pm
Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:02 pm to
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Factually horseshite. Who the frick uses industry wide averages for combined ratios

Industry analysts
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11788 posts
Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:11 pm to
Rate activity is state specific and company specific. Loss ratios and combined ratios are company specific.

You're also combining stock and mutual companies with completely different organizational structures and ownership using an industry average.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:13 pm to
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most comical con


tech and pharmaceutical are exempt from the con blame game I presume
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11788 posts
Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:14 pm to
And any other private company making a profit
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
179004 posts
Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:17 pm to
It’s irrational logic. I do wish health insurance changes for good… again… muh big pharma…
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
20091 posts
Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:22 pm to
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I'm curious to know what the Sherman-Furgeson act did to raise barriers into entry into the market.



It didn’t specifically put entry barriers on the market, but it put all regulation of insurance under the state. For admitted companies the states control coverage forms and rates as well as market conduct. By capping rates or mandating coverage the states DOIs limit the free market because companies that want to charge more or limit their risk can’t or won’t enter. Imagine the politics that go on with this.

Hence the fire insurance issue in CA. If you aren’t allowed to charge what you’ve determined you need to because state won’t let you, you quit writing that coverage in that state unless you can make it up somewhere else.
This post was edited on 5/1/26 at 8:25 pm
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11788 posts
Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:25 pm to
I pay 45k a year for my employees health plan, so I agree with you there.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
179004 posts
Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:26 pm to
You in LA? Or DC?
This post was edited on 5/1/26 at 8:27 pm
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11788 posts
Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:26 pm to
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Hence the fire insurance issue in CA. If you aren’t allowed to charge what you’ve determined you need to because state won’t let you, you quit writing that coverage in that state unless you can make it up somewhere else.


And then posters like The third leg bitch about companies not offering coverage or seeking high rate increases.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18075 posts
Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:27 pm to
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I’m sure it won’t take long for our resident insurance agents

Customer acquisition cost is a serious problem for insurance. And it’s fricking all of us.
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11788 posts
Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:29 pm to
Neither, I'm in FL
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
20091 posts
Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:33 pm to
Healthcare is a fricked up mess of hobbled together federal and state regulations, insurance company networks, greed in milking fee for service healthcare, government and private payers and unpaid healthcare. It’s a fricking knot that can’t be untied.
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