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re: Severe Weather - Today - LA, MS, AL, NW FL

Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:13 pm to
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:13 pm to
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The enhanced area and hatched area were expanded farther east

Well, frick you,too.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91869 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:16 pm to


quote:

Mesoscale Discussion 0365
NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK
0113 PM CDT Wed Apr 17 2019

Areas affected...Texas Panhandle...western Oklahoma

Concerning...Severe potential...Watch likely

Valid 171813Z - 172015Z

Probability of Watch Issuance...80 percent

SUMMARY...Initial elevated convection has developed to the south of
Amarillo, TX with further attempts at initiation along the dryline
southeastward towards Childress, TX. Weak elevated instability and
cold temperatures aloft will support an initial marginally severe
hail threat. More robust development is expected to evolve out of
this initial activity within the next few hours.

DISCUSSION...Strong forcing from an approaching upper-level
shortwave trough has helped to initiate elevated convection to the
south of AMA sooner than guidance has forecast. Meager instability
of perhaps 500 J/kg will temper the initial severe threat from these
storms; however, around 30 kts of effective shear, very steep
mid-level lapse rates, and cold temperatures aloft will support
marginally severe hail.

The greater threat for severe weather appears to be an hour or two
away from materializing along a dryline from AMA to CDS and a
quasi-stationary front from AMA to ICT. Current visible satellite
imagery shows agitated cumulus developing along the aforementioned
dryline. While the boundary layer has yet to destabilize, surface
observations have been a few degrees warmer than guidance. As
further heating occurs across the eastern Texas Panhandle into
western Oklahoma and vicinity, dewpoints in the upper-50s to low-60s
will support MLCAPE values of at least 1500-2000 J/kg. Given the
observational trends, these initial, shallow thunderstorms are
expected to deepen with time into more robust, organized convection
capable of large hail and severe wind gusts. Relatively weak
low-level shear should keep the tornado threat low.

Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36494 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:17 pm to
DFW Forecast Discussion

This discussion is excellent for anyone interested in the details.

For DFW late afternoon round:

quote:

In addition the early day shortwave will lead to weaker winds in the 800 mb area and a veer-back-veer profile in the lowest levels with a hodograph depicting a pronounced kink due to these weaker winds. This type of shear profile may be both good and bad. It should lower the potential for strong sustained low level mesocyclones and thus the tornado threat would be more isolated and brief. On the other hand it may actually help convection initiate as there will be less turbulent mixing and shear to decapitate infant updrafts. Finally this shear profile would increase the potential for very large hail as it would result in greater mid and upper level cloud layer shear which is far more important for copious amounts of large hail growth than just being unstable.

Although we should mention that it most certainly will be very unstable with MLCAPE possibly near 3000 J/KG and a large amount of instability in the hail growth zone. Several sounding analogs suggest that any mature supercell in this area will have the potential to produce baseball to softball size hail. If supercells do form and remain isolated past 9 pm, we will have to closely monitor the 800 mb flow as the approach of the next trough could bring more cyclonic curvature in the low levels and lead to a higher tornado potential. Remember, severe storms are still not a certainty in this region as it is possible the subsidence wins out - but based on the various CAMs we estimate a 60-70% chance there will be severe weather somewhere in this area between 5 and 10 pm.
Posted by Mr Perfect
Member since Mar 2010
17836 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:22 pm to
thanks for bolding the important stuff dude

unlike slackster out here giving us walls of text
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91869 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:23 pm to
quote:

thanks for bolding the important stuff dude unlike slackster out here giving us walls of text


I'm not qualified enough to determine what's important and what's not, so I give you all of it.
Posted by Mr Perfect
Member since Mar 2010
17836 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:24 pm to
okay dude. appreciate you being candid out here
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

When is this evening supposed to be?

Immediately after this afternoon.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43490 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:25 pm to
From reading the FTW forecast, the first nutpunch is done, the second nut punch might bring rather large balls with it, and the third nutpunch will happen rather quickly but less severe.

I just wanna wake up tm with all my shite safe

Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51903 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:26 pm to
Here is SPC's discussion:

.
quote:

..THERE IS AN ENHANCED RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS MUCH OF
LOUISIANA...MISSISSIPPI...ALABAMA...AND THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE...

...SUMMARY...
Severe thunderstorms capable of tornadoes and extensive wind damage
are possible across parts of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama on
Thursday.
Scattered severe storms are also possible as far east as
the Florida Panhandle, and as far north as western Tennessee.

...Synopsis...
An upper trough will amplify as it approaches the lower MS Valley
with mid to upper winds increasing to 60-80 kts. At the surface, a
cold front/outflow composite boundary will extend from eastern TX
into AR in the morning, and will shift east through the period.
Ahead of this early activity will be a deepening surface trough.
Preceding the front and early storms, southwesterly low-level winds
will create a surge of theta-e across LA, MS, and AL during the day,
with mean boundary layer dewpoints increasing to 68-70 F.


Very strong large-scale lift will develop over the lower MS Valley
during the day, with intense deep-layer differential divergence.
Cooling aloft will also accompany the cold front, further aiding
destabilization. The result will be widespread thunderstorms, with
corridors of damaging wind and tornadoes.


....LA...MS...AL...Western FL Panhandle...
Storms are expected to be ongoing Thursday morning along the cold
front/outflow, from southern AR into eastern TX. Some of these
storms could produce strong wind gusts or marginal hail.

Later in the day, a strong surge of deeper low-level moisture will
spread across LA and MS, coincident with 850 mb winds increasing to
over 50 kt. Both instability and shear will increase, and conditions
will become favorable for supercells and tornadoes.
Forecast
soundings indicate effective SRH on the order of 300-400 m2/s2
across the entire area. Thus these midday storms may be severe with
a few tornadoes possible should they remain cellular.


Meanwhile, the activity along the cold front is expected to
intensify as it encounters this stronger instability into central
and eastern LA, and continuing across central and eastern MS during
the day. By late afternoon, an intense QLCS is forecast, likely
absorbing the earlier activity and producing corridors of
destructive winds and tornadoes. The most intense activity may also
spread into western Alabama, with a gradual decrease in overall
intensity overnight across eastern AL and into FL.


Early convection due to warm advection in the 15-18Z period lends
some uncertainty as to air mass quality for latter-day convection
with the front. If the rain is too widespread across LA and southern
MS, it could temper instability for the expected QLCS. On the other
hand, if the midday activity remains more cellular, several
tornadoes could occur. As such, will defer possible upgrade to
Moderate Risk to upcoming Day 1 updates.

Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
147862 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

Immediately after this afternoon.

now I'm just spitballing here...

but does that mean that tomorrow is directly after today?

Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
19409 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:29 pm to
I guess that gulf air doesn’t let it happen
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

but does that mean that tomorrow is directly after today?

Not enough data to know for sure.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:34 pm to
50, what's it doing there? Over here around Longview it's been this strange misty, sprinkle since about 10:30. Dark gray like a pillow case. Dank. Looks threatening but earlier than I expected.
This post was edited on 4/17/19 at 1:35 pm
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:38 pm to
West Feliciana Parish schools closed tomorrow
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43490 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:39 pm to
That’s the first wave rds mentioned I believe.

That’s not the bad one. There’s two others coming and you better stay frosty from those HRRR graphics.
Posted by Mr Perfect
Member since Mar 2010
17836 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:40 pm to
we need a school closure thread so all parents can gather over there and whine

Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:42 pm to
int complaining. Means I can send them to their grandmothers a day sooner and me and the wife gonna get naked tonight
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:43 pm to

Not to worry. I was just at Harley's and picked up all the frosty I need for a week or so.

So, nothing too rough in Las C yet?
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36494 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:48 pm to


Latest CAPE (convection potential) map for Texas. Areas in blue are CIN, which is convective inhibition. Your gray skies are helping to keep the heating low.

This map gives a decent idea (blue shades) where the sinking air rds and the DFW NWS mentioned is happening. Where it's cleared out already, out to the west, you can see the convective potential starting to rocket up.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:52 pm to

Almost looks like the rocket stove effect would be most violent over LA if we imagine the extrapolation in hours. If DFw looks like that now, then LA should look like blah blah later. Is that fair?
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