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re: Settle a drunken argument: Tyson vs Bruce Lee no holds barred KO match
Posted on 2/14/14 at 10:54 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 2/14/14 at 10:54 am to Pettifogger
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I wonder if he's a big, strong guy who hasn't fought much, and just really really wants to hang on to the idea that his innate features make him invincible. It's the only thing that makes sense, unless he's just painfully stupid.
I'm actually not very big. Pretty average and the few tussles I have been in I wouldn't really call fights. Whenever I have seen guys scrap in bars the bigger one has always gotten the better of the smaller one. That is my experience.
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 10:55 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Hurt him? Probably, but not incapacitate him.
I bet he could land a pretty could punch to the throat that would.
But Lee also goes down in one solid hit or debilitating attack. And that's really the crux of it. Neither side wants to admit it. It a real no-holds barred match, this is ugly and, dare I say, "wimpy." Whoever gets the cheapest, fastest, and most damaging hit in first wins. I guarantee Tyson would do the same. He's not going to stand up and exchange, he's going in teeth first.
But it also makes the question extremely "un-fun," and "un-epic," because it's, well, not "cool" to kick the nads. Neither would be playing to their strengths really, which is what everyone wants to talk about.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 10:56 am to Tiger in NY
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Most reasonable folks in this thread give all the credit in the world to Lee for being a great tactician, very agile, very strong for his weight
I'm not seeing very many reasonable posts lately.
People acting like he never fought anyone yet are unaware he was the 1958 International Hong Kong Boxing Invitational champion (eviscerating everyone)
They ignore the fact that world champions multiple times over like Chuck Norris, Joe Lewis (the martial artist), and Mohammed Ali learned from him. They don't know that famed masters like Dan Inosanto were in awe of him.
Basically almost every anti-Lee post is firmly based in ignorance of the guy to the point he was just an ACTOR.
Are you kidding me?
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 11:00 am
Posted on 2/14/14 at 10:56 am to Freauxzen
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But Lee also goes down in one solid hit or debilitating attack.
Never said anything to the contrary. That has been my whole argument. I think Lee's speed will easily allow him to avoid that hit long enough from him to get his in.
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But it also makes the question extremely "un-fun," and "un-epic," because it's, well, not "cool" to kick the nads. Neither would be playing to their strengths really, which is what everyone wants to talk about.
Yep. Lee isn't going to fight somebody in a long, drawn out fight. His style is designed to win quickly.
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 10:58 am
Posted on 2/14/14 at 10:56 am to AngryBeavers
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Whenever I have seen guys scrap in bars the bigger one has always gotten the better of the smaller one. That is my experience.
Your experience is fine and dandy, but I have seen the smaller guy win on more than 1 occasion. I distinctly remember L Dog at 155lbs just pummeling some 200lbs chump until the dude face was one giant lump outside of Fred's.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 10:57 am to theunknownknight
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The truth is Lee was a formidable opponent with a chiseled physique and technique. I totally enjoyed sparring and just spending time with him. He was as charismatic and friendly in the ring and at home, as he was on film. His confidence and wit were dazzling, and sometimes even debilitating to others. Saying things to others like, “A fight is not won by one punch or kick. Either learn to endure or hire a bodyguard.”
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Lee was lightening(sic) fast, very agile and incredibly strong for his size.
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However, many today don’t realize he never competed professionally. If he had, I believe he would have been a world champion.
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Bruce Lee learned from everybody. He had a very open mind. He never believed in only one martial arts style, or that one was superior. He believed that everything had strengths and weaknesses, and that we should find the strengths in each method. He worked out with me, as well as Joe Lewis and Mike Stone. He ascertained skills from all of us, as we learned also from him. And, in doing so, he added it to his repertoire of techniques, as we all did.
When I first started working out with Bruce, he only believed in kicking below the waist, from his training in Wing Chun. I encouraged him not to limit himself and at least develop the ability to kick high, whether he used it or not. I started to do my spinning heel kicks and hitting the pads. Then Bruce started doing it. In six months he could kick as well as anyone.
It’s strange to look back on those days. They seem so near, yet so far away. It’s difficult to believe that it has been 35 years since that martial arts legend left this earth. I miss my friend. I know many of you do too. I hope all the endeavors to memorialize his greatness are successful.
Chuck Norris, commenting on Bruce Lee
Posted on 2/14/14 at 10:59 am to AngryBeavers
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I'm actually not very big. Pretty average and the few tussles I have been in I wouldn't really call fights. Whenever I have seen guys scrap in bars the bigger one has always gotten the better of the smaller one. That is my experience.
Suffice to say, while your experience is probably the more frequent one, it isn't a rare exception that the smaller guy wins. I'm a medium to large build guy, and I've certainly encountered some smaller stature guys who I knew I did not want to come to blows with.
Now, to carry your argument further, maybe these smaller guys are stronger in a pound for pound sense, but nonetheless strength and size is fairly frequently overcome by those of smaller stature. Experience in taking hits, avoiding shots, and delivering blows will win over an inexperienced, fairly larger, fairly stronger guy most of the time, IMO.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:01 am to Ace Midnight
Great post. Norris knew what was up.
But I guess posters in this thread will just say Norris didn't know much about fighting either.
But I guess posters in this thread will just say Norris didn't know much about fighting either.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:02 am to theunknownknight
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But I guess posters in this thread will just say Norris didn't know much about fighting either.
Just an actor. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:02 am to theunknownknight
Can you link to Bruce Lee training Ali? I'm interested in reading about that.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:02 am to Tiger in NY
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Fair enough, but what would Lee's punches do to Tyson? Hurt him? Probably, but not incapacitate him.
One of the big unknowns. There is some record of Lee's 1 inch punch that, with Lee's hand beginning an inch away and not retracting then hitting the guy in the chest, would knock him to the ground. One guy stopped volunteering for the demo because he said he'd still be in pain the next day. Not a lot of corroborated evidence though looks like.
ETA: the vids on that from YouTube look pretty lame IMO.
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 11:05 am
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:02 am to Pettifogger
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Now, to carry your argument further, maybe these smaller guys are stronger in a pound for pound sense, but nonetheless strength and size is fairly frequently overcome by those of smaller stature.
I will concede that the athleticism of the smaller guy has a lot to do with it. I wrestled in high school and there were some guys in lower weight classes that beat me regularly in practice because they were strong for their size and more athletic than me.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:05 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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So here is the real argument, do people think Tyson would be able to avoid a wind pipe collapsing punch from Lee long enough to get enough hits in to KO him? I don't. Especially if Lee immobilizes Tyson early.
Yes, but you think that Lee landing a leg kick means that Tyson's leg gets broken, which wouldn't be the case at all.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:05 am to theunknownknight
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But I guess posters in this thread will just say Norris didn't know much about fighting either.
Nobody is denying Bruce wasn't a great martial artist. He's not beating the heavy weight champ in his prime though.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:06 am to Ace Midnight
Ace, Unknown, y'all go find something else to do. there's no hope here. 
You got guys saying Bruce's lil "technique's" would go out the window in a street fight. If you know anything about bruce lee, it's that he didn't have a technique. Hell it's in the motto of Jeet Kune do. "using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation" Technique confines. I've been studying Lee's stuff for 10 years and his "way" has molded the way I approach my profession.
You got guys saying Bruce's lil "technique's" would go out the window in a street fight. If you know anything about bruce lee, it's that he didn't have a technique. Hell it's in the motto of Jeet Kune do. "using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation" Technique confines. I've been studying Lee's stuff for 10 years and his "way" has molded the way I approach my profession.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:06 am to danman6336
Tyson. dude is heavy handed mang
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:06 am to AngryBeavers
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He's not beating the heavy weight champ in his prime though.
In a boxing match - no question. However, that wasn't the original question, was it?
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:08 am to MrFreakinMiyagi
Lee would take Tyson out in less than 30 seconds with out being touched by Iron Mike.
I'd wager there was no one on the planet that could take Bruce Lee in a fight when he was alive.
I'd wager there was no one on the planet that could take Bruce Lee in a fight when he was alive.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:08 am to Ace Midnight
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However, that wasn't the original question, was it?
My answer was about the original question. Tyson is a brawler he smokes Lee 10/10 in a no holds barred brawl. I am saying this as a Lee fan. He just wasn't a professional fighter.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:08 am to Schmelly
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Hell it's in the motto of Jeet Kune do.
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Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless — like water. Now you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup; You put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle; You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
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