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Posted on 7/30/17 at 9:23 pm to Geauxgurt
Sounds like OP needs to carry a Pellet Gun to IKEA from now on.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 9:27 pm to YNWA
Why am i not surprised that someone at ikea is triggered by a pit
Posted on 7/30/17 at 9:28 pm to Geauxgurt
fricking snowflake
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:24 pm to tke857
Yes. I am a snowflake because I think it is ridiculous to bring that type of animal into a place of business.
I am sorry that some feel that their pet should be allowed to go everywhere but the fact is that dogs should not be allowed in places of business unless they are absolutely needed to function and not some emotional issue.
It is disrespectful when some dickhead clearly sees it is concerning to a large number of other patrons and he/she doesn't give a shite. It may not seem fair to some of you, but realty is that the dog had no business being there and the owners were not making any efforts to even humor the concerned people with how they were going through the store.
I am sorry that some feel that their pet should be allowed to go everywhere but the fact is that dogs should not be allowed in places of business unless they are absolutely needed to function and not some emotional issue.
It is disrespectful when some dickhead clearly sees it is concerning to a large number of other patrons and he/she doesn't give a shite. It may not seem fair to some of you, but realty is that the dog had no business being there and the owners were not making any efforts to even humor the concerned people with how they were going through the store.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:47 pm to LakeViewLSU
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What if I'm allergic to dogs? Can't be around them.
What if I am allergic to your cologne and can't be around you?
Posted on 7/30/17 at 10:54 pm to Tiger in NY
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People aren't allergic to kids. You just do what you wnat and frick everyone else, right? All because you deem your dog to be well behaved?
People are allergic to a lot of things: cologne, pollen, certain shrubs, etc. They could just as well be sitting next to a pet owner who didn't have the pet with them and have an allergic reaction.
Posted on 7/30/17 at 11:52 pm to Nynna11
Exactly, the allergy thing is pretty played out. It's a typical 'look at me' card that gets played too frequently these days.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:21 am to Geauxgurt
I've got my Pitbull with me on a $100 million construction project. Everyone here likes her better than me.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 2:30 am
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:23 am to swanny297
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You can't pay for "service dog" papers, a registered service dog goes through months of training - now "companion" dogs are a whole different story
That would be "emotional support" animals. And yeah, those are generally bullshite. I have known one person who had such debilitating anxiety, they had one. But at that point, it's a service dog.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:28 am to Guido Merkens
I'll go ahead and repost this...
Yep. They're all vicious as hell.
I've been bringing mine to work everyday for about 5 months. A couple weeks ago I started nightshift, so I got her a vest. And this isn't in the job trailer on some small time residential project. It's a $100+ million major infrastructure project. I'm pretty sure they like her more than me around there. They definitely bring her more treats than me.
A little history lesson...
From the dog's initial breeding in America, they were bred to be very friendly with humans. Their job wasn't to protect their family against people. It was protect them and their farms against animals that would hurt their crops and animals.
They used to be the all-American breed of dogs. More popular than Golden Retrievers and Labradors. They were commonly used in advertisments, for companies like RCA and Buster Brown. You had Petey from the Little Rascals. Even the United States government used them in World War 1 ads.
So what happened?
People moved out to the suburbs after WW2, and other dogs became more popular with middle class families. Less tough and more friendly looking. Pits became more popular with lower economic class people, often still in the bigger cities and country. Eventually, scumbags got a hold of the breed. And that's where the breed's problems began.
The 3 major breeds known as pitbulls (American Pitbull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier) came from an extinct breed called the Olde English Bulldogge (yes, that's the actual spelling). That breed was used for a sport bull baiting, which was outlawed in England in the early 1800s. So the desire to please their owners and the instincts to fight other animals at their command was buried in there. Which made it appealing for scumbag fighters.
But for decades, even dog fighters intentionally bred them against aggression towards humans. If a fight was going on, and they needed to stop it, you wanted to be sure they didn't go after your hand.
By the late 80s to 90s, a new batch of dog fighters appeared. They started fighting their dogs to the death. Almost sociopathic. They also became more popular in ghettos, and with rappers. Now random douchebags with inferiority complexs, started getting pitbulls to look tough and guard their house.
But pits aren't supposed to be guard dogs. If you raise them around people, and they are a part of the family, they have great, loving personalities. But training them to be a guard dog is against their instincts.
You want a guard dog, get a Chow, a Doberman, or a breed that bred to be a guard dog. These trashy scumbags just turn the dog into a wildcard, a loose cannon.
Dogs almost always attack out of fear. And by chaining them up outside all day, not socializing them, mistreating them, or raising them to be a guard dog, they're are scared as hell.
Now they're not all good dogs. Because of their popularity with trashy people, you have puppy mill pitbulls. And that's a huge problem. This isn't a Chihuahua or a Pomeranian. This is a 50-80 pound dog, that's incredibly athletic. It can, and has, killed people. When any big dog has bad breeding, it can and will be as unstable as any breed.
In one month where I'm working, I had four people ask me to buy my dog. What kind of person would ask a stranger walking their dog, at night, if theat dog is for sale? I was mad as hell every time. She's a 3.5 year old dog. It was obvious these trashy POS's had ulterior motives.
So go right ahead and ban all pitbulls. What do you think will happen? Do you really think these same scumbags will never get another dog? Of course they will. They'll just imbreed another type of dog. Maybe it'll be boxers or German Shepards, etc.
If you buy your dog at a flea market or a Walmart parking lot, you deserve to be slapped.
If you want to make legislation to protect against dog attacks, don't limit it to just pitbulls. Any dog with a shitty owner can be a problem. And if that dog is more then 20-25 lbs, it could seriously hurt a child. Make dog owner responsible for their dogs. Because if my face is getting chewed off, I don't care if it was a pitbull or a Labrador. My face is still gone.
Make regulations that create better owners. Require dog licensing. Make first time dog owners take a class on how to train and raise a dog. Keep it affordable. We've got the technology to teach and keep records. And if somebody can't afford a $50-100 class, then they shouldn't get a dog.
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I'm always gathering evidence on the general unsuitability of Pitbulls in a modern culture. I recently came across this information while considering the possibility of proposing similar legislation within my community, and hopefully my State government.
Germany:
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Certain breeds (and cross breeds) of dogs present special problems. The rules vary from state to state in Germany, but most consider Pit Bulls, Staffordshire Bull Terriers and American Staffordshire Terriers too dangerous. Their import is banned.
Not sure about Staffordshires, but if they look similar to a Pit, I think guilt by association is fine with me.
I speak to my rep about this issue at church all the time. Legislation to outlaw Pitbulls (and imprison their owners, should the Pit kill or maim an innocent bystander) should be considered and debated with public comment.
Owners always claim 'they didndu nuffin before,' but the fact is these dogs are ticking time bombs who serve no purpose and should be exterminated.
Yep. They're all vicious as hell.
I've been bringing mine to work everyday for about 5 months. A couple weeks ago I started nightshift, so I got her a vest. And this isn't in the job trailer on some small time residential project. It's a $100+ million major infrastructure project. I'm pretty sure they like her more than me around there. They definitely bring her more treats than me.
A little history lesson...
From the dog's initial breeding in America, they were bred to be very friendly with humans. Their job wasn't to protect their family against people. It was protect them and their farms against animals that would hurt their crops and animals.
They used to be the all-American breed of dogs. More popular than Golden Retrievers and Labradors. They were commonly used in advertisments, for companies like RCA and Buster Brown. You had Petey from the Little Rascals. Even the United States government used them in World War 1 ads.
So what happened?
People moved out to the suburbs after WW2, and other dogs became more popular with middle class families. Less tough and more friendly looking. Pits became more popular with lower economic class people, often still in the bigger cities and country. Eventually, scumbags got a hold of the breed. And that's where the breed's problems began.
The 3 major breeds known as pitbulls (American Pitbull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier) came from an extinct breed called the Olde English Bulldogge (yes, that's the actual spelling). That breed was used for a sport bull baiting, which was outlawed in England in the early 1800s. So the desire to please their owners and the instincts to fight other animals at their command was buried in there. Which made it appealing for scumbag fighters.
But for decades, even dog fighters intentionally bred them against aggression towards humans. If a fight was going on, and they needed to stop it, you wanted to be sure they didn't go after your hand.
By the late 80s to 90s, a new batch of dog fighters appeared. They started fighting their dogs to the death. Almost sociopathic. They also became more popular in ghettos, and with rappers. Now random douchebags with inferiority complexs, started getting pitbulls to look tough and guard their house.
But pits aren't supposed to be guard dogs. If you raise them around people, and they are a part of the family, they have great, loving personalities. But training them to be a guard dog is against their instincts.
You want a guard dog, get a Chow, a Doberman, or a breed that bred to be a guard dog. These trashy scumbags just turn the dog into a wildcard, a loose cannon.
Dogs almost always attack out of fear. And by chaining them up outside all day, not socializing them, mistreating them, or raising them to be a guard dog, they're are scared as hell.
Now they're not all good dogs. Because of their popularity with trashy people, you have puppy mill pitbulls. And that's a huge problem. This isn't a Chihuahua or a Pomeranian. This is a 50-80 pound dog, that's incredibly athletic. It can, and has, killed people. When any big dog has bad breeding, it can and will be as unstable as any breed.
In one month where I'm working, I had four people ask me to buy my dog. What kind of person would ask a stranger walking their dog, at night, if theat dog is for sale? I was mad as hell every time. She's a 3.5 year old dog. It was obvious these trashy POS's had ulterior motives.
So go right ahead and ban all pitbulls. What do you think will happen? Do you really think these same scumbags will never get another dog? Of course they will. They'll just imbreed another type of dog. Maybe it'll be boxers or German Shepards, etc.
If you buy your dog at a flea market or a Walmart parking lot, you deserve to be slapped.
If you want to make legislation to protect against dog attacks, don't limit it to just pitbulls. Any dog with a shitty owner can be a problem. And if that dog is more then 20-25 lbs, it could seriously hurt a child. Make dog owner responsible for their dogs. Because if my face is getting chewed off, I don't care if it was a pitbull or a Labrador. My face is still gone.
Make regulations that create better owners. Require dog licensing. Make first time dog owners take a class on how to train and raise a dog. Keep it affordable. We've got the technology to teach and keep records. And if somebody can't afford a $50-100 class, then they shouldn't get a dog.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 3:05 am to LesIsMore
That is not correct. From the US Department of Justice Q&A sheet on Service Animals under the ADA. https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html
Those mean exactly the same as the diplomas you can buy online, nothing.
Q17. Does the ADA require that service animals be certified as service animals?
A. No. Covered entities may not require documentation, such as proof that the animal has been certified, trained, or licensed as a service animal, as a condition for entry.
There are individuals and organizations that sell service animal certification or registration documents online. These documents do not convey any rights under the ADA and the Department of Justice does not recognize them as proof that the dog is a service animal.
Q7. What questions can a covered entity's employees ask to determine if a dog is a service animal?
A. In situations where it is not obvious that the dog is a service animal, staff may ask only two specific questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform? Staff are not allowed to request any documentation for the dog, require that the dog demonstrate its task, or inquire about the nature of the person's disability.
And to the OP
Q22. Can service animals be any breed of dog?
A. Yes. The ADA does not restrict the type of dog breeds that can be service animals.
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all one needs to do is send off $12 to Amazon along with a pic of your pet, and they will send you a virtual badge that you keep on your phone and whip out if anyone questions you
Those mean exactly the same as the diplomas you can buy online, nothing.
Q17. Does the ADA require that service animals be certified as service animals?
A. No. Covered entities may not require documentation, such as proof that the animal has been certified, trained, or licensed as a service animal, as a condition for entry.
There are individuals and organizations that sell service animal certification or registration documents online. These documents do not convey any rights under the ADA and the Department of Justice does not recognize them as proof that the dog is a service animal.
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the one and only question anyone (Uber drivers, store clerks, etc) are allowed to ask is 'Is this a service animal?' If your answer is Yes, they have to stop the questions , by law
Q7. What questions can a covered entity's employees ask to determine if a dog is a service animal?
A. In situations where it is not obvious that the dog is a service animal, staff may ask only two specific questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform? Staff are not allowed to request any documentation for the dog, require that the dog demonstrate its task, or inquire about the nature of the person's disability.
And to the OP
Q22. Can service animals be any breed of dog?
A. Yes. The ADA does not restrict the type of dog breeds that can be service animals.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 3:18 am to CCTider
The difference between Emotional Support Animals and Service Animals is the training. An ESA mitigates the person's disability by being there, it is not trained to do anything. A service animal is trained to recognize and react in order to mitigate the person's disability.
The registries for ESAs are no more legitimate than they are for service animals. ESAs are only allowed in housing (Fair Housing Act) and commercial air travel (Air Carriers Access Act) both of those federal laws allow the landlord/airline to require specific documentation from a treating licensed medical professional. They can say no to an ID bought online.
We had an ESA for my son while we went through the almost 3 year process of getting his service dog. We could not take it in public because it was not covered by the ADA but it made a big difference in our home life.
The registries for ESAs are no more legitimate than they are for service animals. ESAs are only allowed in housing (Fair Housing Act) and commercial air travel (Air Carriers Access Act) both of those federal laws allow the landlord/airline to require specific documentation from a treating licensed medical professional. They can say no to an ID bought online.
We had an ESA for my son while we went through the almost 3 year process of getting his service dog. We could not take it in public because it was not covered by the ADA but it made a big difference in our home life.
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