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Posted on 7/18/18 at 4:21 pm to
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
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Posted on 7/18/18 at 4:21 pm to
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Camaro
every post about service dogs

interesting

service dogs are not therapy dogs, in my opinion

i like the sign that i posted. use if you are blind, deaf, or otherwise physically handicapped
This post was edited on 7/18/18 at 4:22 pm
Posted by Art Vandelay
LOUISIANA
Member since Sep 2005
10691 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 4:24 pm to
I had a dog that would fetch beers out a cooler or fridge. That’s a fricking service dog.


Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
6858 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 4:27 pm to
I'm pretty sure every dog is an emotional support animal. Pay $30 and that's a service dog
Posted by Camaro
Member since Jul 2015
45 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 4:27 pm to
Yes every post is about service dogs, I am a service dog handler. I get notifications of service dog stories, I got a notification from a thread on here awhile ago so I joined because there was a great deal of misinformation being given in it.

Therapy dogs are dogs that are trained and certified by an organization and then invited go to places like hospitals, rest homes, libraries, schools, etc to provide therapy to the people there. They are not service animals and they are not covered under any of the federal disability laws.

Read that sign again blind, deaf or disabled/handicapped. It does not say physically handicapped.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
136793 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 4:29 pm to
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Yes every post is about service dogs, I am a service dog handler. I get notifications of service dog stories, I got a notification from a thread on here awhile ago so I joined because there was a great deal of misinformation being given in it.


i trust that you can see the misuse of the service animal program and how it impedes on other public patrons
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
113890 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 4:34 pm to
I thought only blind people had service dogs, then all of a sudden it was as if it became common to see someone, here and there, not blind, bringing their dog in public.

Friday I was on a flight and a woman across the aisle from me was holding a dachshund. The dog wasn't a problem at all.. It didn't bark, it really just sat in the woman's lap, but I was just asking myself "what would happen if the dog wasn't with her?". Would she go nuts on the plane? Or did she have something that, when it was about to happen, the dog was able to sniff out, before it did happen?
Posted by Camaro
Member since Jul 2015
45 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 4:36 pm to
What I see is that people take advantage of ignorance and apathy. The law gives businesses the tools to address fakes, but they don't bother to learn them or chose not to use them. In the cases where a business does what it is supposed to do, too often the media does an ill-informed report on it vilifying the business and the general public gets outraged despite knowing little about service animals and what the laws say and most of what they know is wrong.
This post was edited on 7/18/18 at 4:38 pm
Posted by McVick
Member since Jan 2011
4466 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 4:45 pm to
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While that may work, real service dogs have papers showing that they are in fact service dogs.


My dad was blind AF, never carried papers around when he had his service dogs, and was still was denied service (or attempted) a couple of times. Papers have not and are still not required to prove service animal status.

While I am sensitive to people to depend on service animals on a daily basis, I am OK with calling someone out who skirts the legal and social contracts of service animals.
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
28026 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 5:05 pm to
these pieces of shite, usually fat asses, can get fake service dog paperwork online. then buy the harness


I got into it with a lady the other day, for jerking the frick out of the dog, which wasn't a service animal, and she was a fat piece of shite. Had my wife not pleaded with me to stop, i would of probably knocked the fat bitch out.

5 times she jerked that dog, like it was a piece of string and a ball at the end. 6th time i had, had enough and said shite to her and she had a vile, foul mouth, and right as i was going after her, my wife came up and said, please, will you let this go. She had tears in her eyes, and i had to give in. I tried to get the cops, who were called to take her dog, but they said they couldnt do shite.

Posted by ladygoodman
under there
Member since Oct 2016
371 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 5:25 pm to
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Nothing from your description would lead me to think it is a fake. Which is part of the problem, you aren't sure and are asking, most people don't, it is "saw a fake service dog at the store" when it wasn't fake at all.




This person did not really look like she was training anything, which is why I wondered. Her demeanor toward the dog. Her attire. The fact that she was looking at vitamins or some such with her 10 year old. Totally not engaged with the dog until it was halfway down the aisle toward me. My perception has been that the training is fairly intense and requires attention being paid to the dog. She "corrected" the dog by yanking the leash and saying "Coffee, stop." and went back to the vitamins.
Posted by ladygoodman
under there
Member since Oct 2016
371 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 5:34 pm to
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Dags are better than people. I rather deal with a dag at the store than their owner.


I definitely preferred this dog to her owner.
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 5:38 pm to
Some stores put up with dogs in the store. it annoys the frick out of me though. Especially in a grocery store. Keep animals away from food stores.

Most of those service dogs are pure bullshite anyway unless you are blind or handicapped.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 5:41 pm to
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Friday I was on a flight and a woman across the aisle from me was holding a dachshund. The dog wasn't a problem at all.. It didn't bark, it really just sat in the woman's lap, but I was just asking myself "what would happen if the dog wasn't with her?". Would she go nuts on the plane? Or did she have something that, when it was about to happen, the dog was able to sniff out, before it did happen?


Dogs that you can hold in your lap or place on the floor at your feet are allowed on planes, doesn't have to be a service animal, but normally they are required to be in a carrier.
Posted by Boo Krewe
Member since Apr 2015
9810 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 5:44 pm to
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ll fully admit right now that i’d fake a service dog certification for my dog.



yeah, why do all of yall care so much about dogs in public
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
128950 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 5:57 pm to
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I thought only blind people had service dogs

Legit trained service dogs can also be used for other medical conditions/handicaps.

Ex: Dogs to alert someone when they are about to have a seizure, dogs that can use their sense of smell to alert their owner their blood sugar is way too low or high. Dogs that help those in wheelchairs (such as a child with muscular dystrophy) for various things.

I love dogs but hate the bullshite abuse of “emotional” dogs. There is a legit need for trained service dogs and think those dogs are wonderful. Read up on these dogs. It is fascinating to read about the stuff they are trained to do.

But think dogs for “emotional support” is just a crock of shite and a way people get around taking their dogs everywhere. Only exception again being specially trained dogs for vets with PTSD.

Basically....if your dog isn’t specially trained....it isn’t legit imo.
Posted by Camaro
Member since Jul 2015
45 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 6:14 pm to
Think of it like when you are teaching someone something new, early on very attentive lots of instruction. At some point in the process you just observe and give minor corrections. It sounds like that is where they are at.

Training reinforcement is a never ending process for service dogs. Handlers are always looking to identify situations that they don't encounter frequently that they need to reinforce the training for. We rarely see other dogs, we were at a park with a friend who brought her little dog to get it exposed to a much larger dog. I wanted him in a down so the small dog could get used to him being there and he let out one whimper that he wanted to play. So over the next month one day a week I would go early to pick my son up from an activity so I could go to the park where people walk their dogs and reinforce his training to ignore other dogs. I would sit on a park bench reading and give minor corrections when needed.

Hope that all made sense and clears it up some for you.
Posted by whatchamacallit
Moulin Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
632 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 6:23 pm to
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Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
113890 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 6:25 pm to
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Legit trained service dogs can also be used for other medical conditions/handicaps.

Ex: Dogs to alert someone when they are about to have a seizure, dogs that can use their sense of smell to alert their owner their blood sugar is way too low or high. Dogs that help those in wheelchairs (such as a child with muscular dystrophy) for various things.

I love dogs but hate the bullshite abuse of “emotional” dogs. There is a legit need for trained service dogs and think those dogs are wonderful. Read up on these dogs. It is fascinating to read about the stuff they are trained to do.

But think dogs for “emotional support” is just a crock of shite and a way people get around taking their dogs everywhere. Only exception again being specially trained dogs for vets with PTSD.

Basically....if your dog isn’t specially trained....it isn’t legit imo.




I was being extremely general in my post. Seriously, I have gone to a place in Atlanta.. Shepherd Center. I just had to go to get approval from the department that works with disabled people and teaching them to drive. I was already trained, but they had to give me approval. Anyway, they really do great work with people (for those who are aware of the Southern football player who was paralyzed in a game against Georgia, this is the place he has been that has been working on his recovery).

There is also a department that works with people when they first get their dog (I think the dog is trained first, then they go there, where they teach the person how to work with the dog). It's impressive to see what those dogs can do.

I didn't mean to not be sensitive to that situation..

What I meant, is more of what you are referring to. And yes, you worded it better.. If the dog isn't specially trained, it isn't legit. Of course, with that said, I don't know how to tell if a dog is or isn't a trained dog. This particular woman had a dachshund. Being uneducated on the issue, I would assume a dachshund isn't the type of dog that is trained to provide a service for someone, but then again, they do have a sensitive nose and I could see how they could use their sense of smell to alert their owner of something like low blood sugar, etc.
Posted by Camaro
Member since Jul 2015
45 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 6:45 pm to
An important and often misunderstood point with service animals is air travel. The ADA does not apply to air travel, so the ADA definition of service animal also does not apply. Under the Air Carrier Access Act regulations emotional support animals by definition are service animals. In my opinion it would have been better and less confusing if they had done like HUD with the FHA regulations and used an umbrella term like "Assistance Animal" which includes both ADA defined service animals and ESAs but they didn't.

So since it was on an airplane the dachshund could have been a legitimate ESA, but there are tasks that a dachshund could be trained to perform for a person's disability to make it a service animal under the ADA.
Posted by Tester1216
South Louisiana
Member since Jul 2018
22149 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 6:48 pm to
It take lot of self control for me not to pet the drug/bomb dogs at the airport. They really need to get ugly muts to do this instead of fluffy sweet golden retrievers.
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