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re: Sandy Hook "truthers". The worst people ever?
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:44 am to notsince98
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:44 am to notsince98
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You are smart enough to use google and find ways to substantiate facts/claims
Don't look to little ol' me for answers. I am not responsible, especially for all the things I posted before that led to this post.
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Anything I provide is going to inherently have a negative bias towards it because it comes from me
I don't actually have anything, but I will tell you to google nebulous, unsubstantiated "evidence" dug up and presented by people with an angenda while you have the suggestion in your brain that it might be a hoax. All while maintaining no responsibility and appearing to look innocent of whether I want you to believe or not.
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This stuff isn't for everyone. It shakes your world a bit and I don't blame anyone for not wanting to consider the possibility.
I am better than you and have a more expanded world view. I don't think you can handle it. Can you?
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That's the interpretation I came up with.
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:45 am to bamafan1001
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These "anti-truther" threads are just for the purpose of mainly progressives and big govt defenders who want to paint those who are anti-big government as kooks. "Truthers" are boogeymen. They represent such a small number of people that threads like this are pointless and stupid.
Wut?
There are common traits among truthers or conspiracy theorists. Among them, lower educational status, lack of critical thinking skills, the feeling of powerless and the ability to take random facts...connect them and build a narrative.
It has nothing to do with left/right. It has far more to do with rational vs irrational.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:53 am to Lacour
Any kind of conspiracy kook is the worst person ever.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:54 am to JBeam
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Met a SH truther at the bulldog a year ago. She wholeheartedly believes that Obama & the CIA made up the entire incident.
Anybody that nutty has to be fun in the sack. Might kill you in your sleep but life isn't without risk.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:56 am to bamafan1001
As somebody who worked in news for several years, whenever a crazy event happens you have to deal with this thing called "the fog of war" where tons of information is flying at you really fast and you have to try and decide what is real and what is not.
Combine that w/how cutthroat the news biz has become w/its get the story out first worry about the details later mentality and you get a mish mash of crap that needs to be sifted through.
I worked multiple active shooter situations and every single time wild arse rumors spread that were ultimately false but they still made it to air b/c reporters and police didn't stop to confirm the facts.
By the way, it has been proven time after time after time that eye witnesses of traumatic events often get facts and details wildly wrong. Processing something like a mass killing is difficult and it's very common for people to have missed essential details and then fill them in with some other past experience. It is also common for people dealing w/such a tragedy to insert themselves into the action in their mind even if they didn't actually see anything. That whole plot point in My Cousin Vinny where all the witnesses were a bunch of garbage isn't just some cute twist to a comedy. Witnesses who couldn't be more wrong are far more common than prosecutors would have you believe. shite, all you have to do is watch a basketball game with a bunch of people and inevitably you will have disagreements on if a player was fouled or not even though you are all watching the exact same thing.
So when you get something like Sandy Hook where there are some inconsistencies w/early reports, well NO frickING shite MAN.
That doesn't make it some great conspiracy.
Also,
w/the "well OBAMA exploited it right away so that means something is amiss" crap b/c guess what hot shot? The fricking NRA, many right wing politicians, and guns rights activists did the exact same fricking thing just as quickly. They do it EVERY damn time some awful mass shooting happens. Wayne LaPierre can't get to a mic to release a statement fast enough when shite goes down. Does that mean they want it to be easier to get guns so awful things happen making it easier exploit people's fear in the hopes that gun sales go up? Well? It's the same logic you are using to freak out over the left taking all your guns but something tells me that particular conspiracy hasn't exactly held any traction with you truthers.
Combine that w/how cutthroat the news biz has become w/its get the story out first worry about the details later mentality and you get a mish mash of crap that needs to be sifted through.
I worked multiple active shooter situations and every single time wild arse rumors spread that were ultimately false but they still made it to air b/c reporters and police didn't stop to confirm the facts.
By the way, it has been proven time after time after time that eye witnesses of traumatic events often get facts and details wildly wrong. Processing something like a mass killing is difficult and it's very common for people to have missed essential details and then fill them in with some other past experience. It is also common for people dealing w/such a tragedy to insert themselves into the action in their mind even if they didn't actually see anything. That whole plot point in My Cousin Vinny where all the witnesses were a bunch of garbage isn't just some cute twist to a comedy. Witnesses who couldn't be more wrong are far more common than prosecutors would have you believe. shite, all you have to do is watch a basketball game with a bunch of people and inevitably you will have disagreements on if a player was fouled or not even though you are all watching the exact same thing.
So when you get something like Sandy Hook where there are some inconsistencies w/early reports, well NO frickING shite MAN.
That doesn't make it some great conspiracy.
Also,
w/the "well OBAMA exploited it right away so that means something is amiss" crap b/c guess what hot shot? The fricking NRA, many right wing politicians, and guns rights activists did the exact same fricking thing just as quickly. They do it EVERY damn time some awful mass shooting happens. Wayne LaPierre can't get to a mic to release a statement fast enough when shite goes down. Does that mean they want it to be easier to get guns so awful things happen making it easier exploit people's fear in the hopes that gun sales go up? Well? It's the same logic you are using to freak out over the left taking all your guns but something tells me that particular conspiracy hasn't exactly held any traction with you truthers.This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:56 am to Darth_Vader
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Darth_Vader
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I find it interesting you pointed out it was "Trump supporters" adhering to this absurd notion. Do these "truthers" represent a majority, or even a sizable portion of Trump supporters? Are all Sandy Hook "truthers" Trump supporters? If not, what portion of them are Trump supporters? How many of them support other candidates? And what has Trump said about this? Is he a Sandy Hook "truther"?
I ask these questions because I'm trying to see how all this ties to Trump or those who support him.
Thank God somebody said this.... Thank you, sir.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:56 am to Macintosh
You are bragging about that?
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:56 am to notsince98
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What I have investigated points to huge contradictions even in the openly released media reports, police videos, eye witness accounts, etc
Much of this comes from the fact that media outlets are in such a rush to be the first to report it that they will put anyone on TV that claims they know what is going on. So all you have found is that initial media reports, Police reports and eye witness accounts contradict each other? That is a pretty easy thing to explain how that could happen.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:57 am to Dr RC
That makes too much sense for the morons who think it was faked
Posted on 4/26/16 at 12:01 pm to Lacour
I was reading an article that was talking about how male...Sanders and Clinton supporters like to take it in the arse. Are gays the worse people ever?
This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 4/26/16 at 12:05 pm to civiltiger07
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Much of this comes from the fact that media outlets are in such a rush to be the first to report it that they will put anyone on TV that claims they know what is going on. So all you have found is that initial media reports, Police reports and eye witness accounts contradict each other? That is a pretty easy thing to explain how that could happen.
Most of us are swinging blindly and are basing our opinions on bad information. We get our information from media, which is absolutely awful. You do have to use a little common sense and experience to weed out the idiocy.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 12:07 pm to Dr RC
Agree with the first part of your post 100%
However the last paragraph is completely wrong.
No they don't. They do however have to defend themselves after getting destroyed all over the media.
Show me where he has done such a thing.
However the last paragraph is completely wrong.
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Also, w/the "well OBAMA exploited it right away so that means something is amiss" crap b/c guess what hot shot? The fricking NRA, many right wing politicians, and guns rights activists did the exact same fricking thing just as quickly
No they don't. They do however have to defend themselves after getting destroyed all over the media.
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Wayne LaPierre can't get to a mic to release a statement fast enough when shite goes down.
Show me where he has done such a thing.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 12:07 pm to Lacour
I think that there was a plan in place between the media and Obama to use the next school shooting as a rallying point for anti-gun legislation. We know that the media does this, they were exposed doing it in the JournoList scandal.
I think that in their rush and excitement to both cover the Sandy Hook shooting and use it as gun-ban opportunity they committed mistakes and reported falsehoods (which is typical of any situation like this) while also being super-giddy about it because it was the moment they'd been waiting for. I think this confluence of factors lead to coverage that appears off and is rife with inconsistencies which feeds conspiracy theorists of the sort that think the whole thing was staged.
I don't think it was staged. I think there was a conspiracy around the coverage though. I think the immediate jump at banning guns that came out of that is what led people to believe the the shooting itself was a conspiracy.
I think that in their rush and excitement to both cover the Sandy Hook shooting and use it as gun-ban opportunity they committed mistakes and reported falsehoods (which is typical of any situation like this) while also being super-giddy about it because it was the moment they'd been waiting for. I think this confluence of factors lead to coverage that appears off and is rife with inconsistencies which feeds conspiracy theorists of the sort that think the whole thing was staged.
I don't think it was staged. I think there was a conspiracy around the coverage though. I think the immediate jump at banning guns that came out of that is what led people to believe the the shooting itself was a conspiracy.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 12:07 pm to Dr RC
Does anyone know if there are SH truthers that actually live in the Sandy Hook area?
Certainly there can't be.
Certainly there can't be.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 12:16 pm to Salmon
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I did
Apparently not very well
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so this horrible tragedy happens, and the government is like, you know all those kids just got murdered and people are really emotional/hysterical about it, but lets send some actors in to really drive home how horrible this tragedy is?
Lets be perfectly clear here. Most people see incidents like SH as tragedies. They wouldnt think about pushing some agenda because they are heartbroken for the families and community.
There are however, people who are not like this. They are cold people who care about power and influence more than people. These types of people have always been around since the beginning of people.
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that seems logical to you?
It does because I am actually using logic rather than letting my emotion dictate my judgment. You seem to believe that everyone out there is above using tragedy to further their own position. That is head in the sand type thinking.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 12:16 pm to Cooter Davenport
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I think that there was a plan in place between the media and Obama to use the next school shooting as a rallying point for anti-gun legislation. We know that the media does this, they were exposed doing it in the JournoList scandal.
I think that in their rush and excitement to both cover the Sandy Hook shooting and use it as gun-ban opportunity they committed mistakes and reported falsehoods (which is typical of any situation like this) while also being super-giddy about it because it was the moment they'd been waiting for. I think this confluence of factors lead to coverage that appears off and is rife with inconsistencies which feeds conspiracy theorists of the sort that think the whole thing was staged.
I don't think it was staged. I think there was a conspiracy around the coverage though. I think the immediate jump at banning guns that came out of that is what led people to believe the the shooting itself was a conspira
Well put
Posted on 4/26/16 at 12:18 pm to Cooter Davenport
HOLY shite
HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONFISCATION OF GUNS!?
MORONS. SURROUNDED BY MORONS.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONFISCATION OF GUNS!?
MORONS. SURROUNDED BY MORONS.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 12:20 pm to Lacour
Nope and many organizations, including the NRA, are working to keep it that way. Also, gun confiscation isn't all they are battling against.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 12:23 pm to Lacour
Havent figured out if you are trolling or for real
This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 4/26/16 at 12:25 pm to bamafan1001
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Haven't figured out if you are trolling or for real
My work is done here.
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