re: San Diego airport close call between private jet, Southwest plane prompts federal investig

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Southwest was on the runway.

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Yes, on the runway. I read "still on the runway" as in motion either taking off or landing.

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That’s what lineup and wait means.

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Well aware of what it means. Usually, it's used when you are leaving the hold short position and a plane has landed on the runway, not so much when one is on short final and not on the ground. Its a timing thing for the plane that has just landed to get off the runway before you hit the throttles for take off. In this scenario, depending on how far out 564HV was the proper clearance could have been from "hold short" to cleared for take-off IF the SWA aircraft didn't need to make a stop at the turn.

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The cloud ceilings were reported at 1100’. They wouldn’t have seen much.

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The ceilings weren't as much of a factor as the buildings are. The normal approach has you making a slight left hand turn when you cross the I-5 because of how downtown is situated. The sight lines are not great from the hold short position.

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What she did happens all the time, every day at every airport. It sounds like she got distracted reading an amended clearance to another plane and forgot to clear SW to takeoff. But clearing planes to line up and wait while other aircraft are cleared to land happens all the time.

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Did you listen to the audio? She was doing a shitty job across the board and is either new (with poor training) or s hitty controller. Do go around happen? Yes. Do go around happen with a commercial in line up and wait and another plane 100 feet over them? Not all that often, hence the FAA investigation. She messed up.

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Last weekend the Pilot must have lied to us. We sat at the gate for an hour and half waiting on the 2nd runway to put us in Queue. The 1st runway wasn’t long enough for the weight of the plane to take off. Edited to add that a ton of construction is going on there and adding another terminal. Traffic was terrible

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2 runways, 1 piece of concrete. The required climb gradient on rw 9 is twice as much as 27. You weren’t lied to.

I remember when a jetliner flying into San Diego from Chicago was struck by a small plane with a student pilot and instructor while descending over the San Diego airport. No survivors. The small plane was at fault for being in a prohibited air space.

Happened to me last week going into Heathrow. Captain came on and said there was a plane on the runway and the spacing was not to his liking so he elected to go around.

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He wasn't still on the runway, he was told to line up and wait. That means he goes from the "hold short" position to the end of the runway to prepare for take-off.

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Which puts him on the runway. Technically once you are past the hold short line you are on the runway ,but a line up and wait instruction puts you on the runway in position for an imminent or immediate takeoff. So yeah Southwest was fully on the runway.

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The pilot and FO definitely should have made sure it was clear but flying out of San Diego on 27 the sight lines are not always great.

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Weather was 10SM BKN011 BKN022 BKN025

That is borderline IFR conditions and breaking through the clouds at 1100 ft I could this happening and not on the pilot.

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The controller should be fired - she told the SWA to line up and wait just after she cleared the company jet to land. BS mistake could have been tragic. Unacceptable.

The incompetent controller also had another aircraft on final behind the corporate. She definitely doesn't have a clue.

Interestingly enough the corporate was owned by a grocery chain out of Iowa.

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I wouldn't go that far, but her history does need to be taken into account and if she has had deals in the past. She allowed herself to prioritize aircraft waiting on the ground over her active runway. That is a no no for a Local Controller. She forgot about the Southwest trying to give an altitude amendment to an aircraft on the taxiway. Controllers save pilots all the time and vice versa. Again her history needs to be taken into account and shite like this happens more than you think.

DEI strikes again

The Feds will blame white males 25-35

looking at some of our ASAP and FOQA data would scare the shite of of a lot of people

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2 runways, 1 piece of concrete. The required climb gradient on rw 9 is twice as much as 27. You weren’t lied to.

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This is correct! Don't embarrass yourself by calling Delta to bitch.

If you're heavy with a load of gas to fly all the way to ATL when they're taking off to the east in SAN they basically have to custom build a hole in all of the traffic arriving into SoCal to allow you to take off in the "wrong" direction. Not unusual for that to require an hour or more depending on time of day and traffic density.