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Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:33 am to CptBengal
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No you clown. What if a group of black students use the n word.... What then?
good lord at the stupidity here.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:33 am to CptBengal
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If the words is offensive, and a group of black kids at OU use it.... Should they also be punished?
They're probably not going to say "let's hang ourselves from a tree" in their chant.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:34 am to StrongSafety
In Dallas Houston OKC and Tulsa the OU Greek community is pretty tight knit, like with most schools. I live in Houston and have several friends who were in fraternities/sororities at OU and it's all they've talked about since last night and they all know who the guilty parties are. It will take a while to escape something like this
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Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:35 am to CptBengal
i get your point, but i'd remove it from race issues (like the "n-word" point)
go pick out one of those recent examples of attempts to regulate speech where any language that is subjectively perceived to be discriminatory/affecting can lead to punishment by the university
go pick out one of those recent examples of attempts to regulate speech where any language that is subjectively perceived to be discriminatory/affecting can lead to punishment by the university
Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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the vast majority of people would have joined in, whether they agreed or not
not if you are raised right or you are weak minded, then you don't join in or say its wrong.
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social pressure is a very strong influence on behavior, esp short-term behavior. there are some crazy experiments in this area
psychologists have gotten people to agree on much more insane concepts than joining in a racist chant
obviously some people (and it may be the vast majority in that bus) did agree with the chant, but i can't judge everyone based on that clip
being boozed up on a letting your true feelings come out is basically what happened.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:36 am to Sofa King Crimson
Why is it stupid?
Is the word offensive or not?
Oh I see, you and the rest of the people who can't answer like to have a relativistic view on rules and punishment. Good thing that always end in disaster.
Is the word offensive or not?
Oh I see, you and the rest of the people who can't answer like to have a relativistic view on rules and punishment. Good thing that always end in disaster.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:36 am to CptBengal
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Why do you keep avoiding my question.
Why do you keep deflecting?
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If the words is offensive, and a group of black kids at OU use it.... Should they also be punished?
Are you really this stupid?
I'm not even getting into the n-word debate. That's actually beside my point.
Why do YOU keep ignoring the fact that the chant specifically mentions murdering folks based on their ethnicity? Slur or not, that is reprehensible at its core, and damn well should be called out. The slur is just shock value on top of that.
And you're still deflecting by bringing up this absurd hypothetical because you're so desperate to make an inane point about the n-word. The bottom line is the video in question is not about a black frat chanting about killing whites. Show me a video of that and I'll be outraged as well.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:37 am to MMauler
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I think the University did it for show. It doubt it could withstand a legal challenge.
Actually, it pretty much would be a slam dunk. Greek systems exist at the University's pleasure. They can shut down part or all of it for any reason or no reason. There's no law that says fraternities have to exist on a college campus. Plenty of universities don't have any chapters at all.
Undergrads seem to think they have some kind of leverage, when in reality they don't hold any cards at all, as they invariably find out when something like this comes up.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:37 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
What going to happen? They'll be publicly shambled on social media, embarrassed and harassed for three or four days and then all this will go away.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
SFP... I'm only using this because it's the thread. The point remains that speech enforcement at a university based on relativism is a dangerous, dangerous road in an academic setting.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:38 am to CptBengal
they are joyously singing about hanging black people and not allowing them into their fraternity. this is totally aside from their use of the N word.
Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:39 am to FLBooGoTigs1
Can confirm that almost every fraternity actively blocks black kids from pledging.
The shitty thing is that most of the guys probably wouldn't mind but many chapters are set up so that only a few guys out of dozens or hundreds have to put their foot down before a pledge can be cut or not given a bid in the first place
The shitty thing is that most of the guys probably wouldn't mind but many chapters are set up so that only a few guys out of dozens or hundreds have to put their foot down before a pledge can be cut or not given a bid in the first place
Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:39 am to StraightCashHomey21
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not if you are raised right or you are weak minded, then you don't join in or say its wrong.
this is simply not true. it's part of our DNA to join in. seriously psychology has done a series of studies on just this type of stuff
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being boozed up on a letting your true feelings come out is basically what happened.
maybe. maybe for some. you cannot make that statement for every person involved, though. it simply doesn't stand on its own without an investigation, given the accepted, black-and-white scientific research that we have access to today
this is THE EXTREME example, but there were plenty of Germans who had no issues with Jews who participated or ignored the Holocaust. the Holocaust is actually the muse for a lot of the research on this subject matter. racism is bad, but it's nowhere close to the same universe as the Holocaust
Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:39 am to tgrbaitn08
But the video will stay on search engines forever.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:40 am to JBeam
Meh. You'll stop watching by this afternoon
Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:41 am to CptBengal
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The point remains that speech enforcement at a university based on relativism is a dangerous, dangerous road in an academic setting.
i think most on here would agree, but due to the nature of this thread and the subject matter, i just think a more effective discussion could be had about speech not related to race...at least as a starting point for the discussion. the subject matter (racism) is too inflammatory to have people give an inch, so i'd imagine starting with other types of speech is a better starting point
Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:41 am to Jim Rockford
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Undergrads seem to think they have some kind of leverage
"Alumni donations"
If this were my fraternity chapter, I'd probably disown them.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:42 am to tgrbaitn08
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What going to happen? They'll be publicly shambled on social media, embarrassed and harassed for three or four days and then all this will go away.
It will always follow them within their social circles from college and high school which will certainly change their lives a great deal for a while. I don't know how public the names will get with student privacy laws and all that, that may help them with job opportunities.
This post was edited on 3/9/15 at 8:43 am
Posted on 3/9/15 at 8:42 am to CptBengal
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SFP... I'm only using this because it's the thread. The point remains that speech enforcement at a university based on relativism is a dangerous, dangerous road in an academic setting.
You might have a point if it was random students expressing themselves in the Quad, or whatever they have at OU. Fraternities are university organizations, and derive tremendous benefits from being located on campus. They represent the university, same as the football team, the band, or any other student organization.. They can toe the university line, or they can find a house off campus to chant their chants.
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