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re: Russia to test 'Satan 2' nuke capable of wiping out an entire nation
Posted on 5/10/16 at 1:52 pm to Mr. Hangover
Posted on 5/10/16 at 1:52 pm to Mr. Hangover
quote:pretty sure if they tested it and it's actually as big as they say it is... we'd all know about it pretty quickly
Yeah, let's tell everybody how supersecret our super secret weapon is so it's not super secret anymore. fricking Commies
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 1:53 pm to Count Chocula
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I remember when the Mig 25 was first developed. Turned out to be about 1/3rd of what the Russians claimed.
The US found it to be a tin can with little technical prowess and the Russians were using over inflated numbers in their specs. However, the US also found it could take a beating and parts were dirt cheap. It may not have been a super spec'd aircaft but wasn't without it's merits.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 1:54 pm to Count Chocula
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40'ish
Then there is no way you remember when it was first developed.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 1:56 pm to Darth_Vader
Misuse of terms, not developed - but in use when a Russian pilot defected and landed one in Japan.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 1:59 pm to Cdawg
Doesn't sound a whole lot different from our old MX's which carried ten warheads, but was decommissioned for more modern tech. Granted, Russia may be wanting to upgrade for a potential fight or just deterrence. However, I doubt destroying the planet is on their agenda. They would have to live with the aftermath as well.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 1:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The US found it to be a tin can with little technical prowess and the Russians were using over inflated numbers in their specs. However, the US also found it could take a beating and parts were dirt cheap. It may not have been a super spec'd aircaft but wasn't without it's merits.
One thing you've got to remember is for what purpose the Mig-25 was designed. It was never meant to be a "dog fighter" taking on and defeating other fighter aircraft. Instead the Mig-25 had one purpose, and that was intercepting high altitude American Bombers flying at super sonic speeds. With that in mind, the Russians built the Mig 25 to do two things. Fly really high and fly really fast. Those are the only two thing it can really do well. This is the aircraft the Russians designed the Mig-25 to go after....
B-58 Hustler
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:00 pm to Darth_Vader
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The Mig-25 has been around for almost 50 years.
One of the best troll jobs in all of history. We pretend to develop a supersonic bomber, they respond with a stainless steel fighter and 4 missiles, really unsuitable for any other mission than to counter this bomber we never built.
Good times...
(ETA: Darth - Jinx.)
And, it would have been okay against the hustler, too. I was thinking more of one of the experimental designs we floated from the base plane for the SR-71. We acted like we were going to develop THAT as a bomber. That's why the Mig-25 was spec'ed out the way it was and way it was really unsuitable for almost anything else, except maybe the B-58.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:02 pm to Darth_Vader
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quote: Moscow meda claims'
Stopped reading here
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:03 pm to Darth_Vader
Generally when new fighters are developed and put in service, they are obsolete for what they were designed. During the cold war, weapons were evolving so quickly that nothing really was unmatched upon being utilized. The Mig 25 was thought to be a air combat plane by US intelligence which led to the development of better US fighters.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:04 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:all i needed to know
Moscow meda claims
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:05 pm to Darth_Vader
How could that thing fly mach 2 with all that shite hanging on under the wings?
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:07 pm to Count Chocula
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How could that thing fly mach 2 with all that shite hanging on under the wings?
The B-58 was a nightmare operationally. It was extremely difficult to fly.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:07 pm to Count Chocula
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How could that thing fly mach 2 with all that shite hanging on under the wings?
It was surprisingly modern in design and composition (for the time) - that, plus good ole American power - 60,000+ foot-pounds of thrust with afterburners (let's just say it wasn't terribly fuel efficient - like B-52s - they took off with just enough fuel to get to cruising altitude and refueling tanker).
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Generally when new fighters are developed and put in service, they are obsolete for what they were designed. During the cold war, weapons were evolving so quickly that nothing really was unmatched upon being utilized. The Mig 25 was thought to be a air combat plane by US intelligence which led to the development of better US fighters.
True. When we first found out about it it scared the hell out of our experts. They thought it was an air superiority fighter just from the looks of it.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:09 pm to Ace Midnight
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- they took off with just enough fuel to get to cruising altitude and refueling tanker).
Seems like they had some issue with fuel shifting during flight. If I'm thinking of the right aircraft.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:10 pm to shawnlsu
Ehhh we still have Americans over there. Get them out first atleast 
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:11 pm to Darth_Vader
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True. When we first found out about it it scared the hell out of our experts. They thought it was an air superiority fighter just from the looks of it.
Yeah, I think it led to the development of the F-15
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Mig 25
Is that supposed to be a twin tail Tornado knock off?
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:12 pm to Ace Midnight
Loved me some Slim Pickins in Dr Strange Love
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Yeah, I think it led to the development of the F-15
It influenced it's development but I think it was already in the works.
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