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re: Russia, Syria, and Iran teaming up in Baghdad...
Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:46 am to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:46 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Other than Syria what roles has Russia taken over?
Russia is just now starting to flex it's muscle in the region. How far their influence spreads is anyone's guess. This new move by Russia is just now getting started. Where it leads nobody knows. What it does show is that while our influence in the area is diminishing, theirs is on the rise.
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Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:51 am to Darth_Vader
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When Obama basically abandoned Iraq and Afghanistan
Thankfully he had enough sense to do so. The ME never gets along and it's not my job or my sons job to risk our lives to be the police over there. It's fricking retarded to suggest we should stay there indefinitely and if a republican had pulled out you'd be singing his praises.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:53 am to Darth_Vader
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Our influence in the Middle East is at it's lowest point since before WWII. How can you not see this?
Glad to see you in here, Darth. Some are blind, Darth, some are blind...
Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:56 am to Spaceman Spiff
Some are also tired of wasting blood and treasure in a region where we've continually fricked things up. But hey, as long as it's someone else's kid getting shot at, what the hell.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:08 am to Darth_Vader
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As of last fall, it's not considered a combat zone.
its a combat zone
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Talking out of my arse. Is Iraq not turning to Iran now in their fight against ISIS? Are you saying that is not happening? Sounds like you'r the one talking out of your arse.
Iran's involvement in the ISIS conflict is more of a religious/ethnic thing than anything else. Might want to educate yourself on Persians and Arabs.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:08 am to bamarep
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Do ya'll even pipeline to Europe?
huh
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:10 am to Darth_Vader
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Russia is just now starting to flex it's muscle in the region. How far their influence spreads is anyone's guess. This new move by Russia is just now getting started. Where it leads nobody knows. What it does show is that while our influence in the area is diminishing, theirs is on the rise.
Russia has decades of catching up to do if they even want to come close to the presence we have in the region right now.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:12 am to Spaceman Spiff
This isn't about "good let someone else fight that war" this is about Russia making a power move against the petrodollar.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:14 am to MrLarson
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this is about Russia making a power move against the petrodollar.
They are feeling the heat while their economy and country goes down the shitter.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:20 am to StraightCashHomey21
It wasn't long ago that Syria wanted to replace the petrodollar and we decided that they needed regime change and started backing ISIS to try to topple their govt. We strike a shitty nuke deal with Iran and now you have them teaming up with Russia in Iraq. There is a whole lot of smoke in this. I don't think it is Russia doing the humanitarian thing to stop ISIS.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:20 am to biglego
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Some are also tired of wasting blood and treasure in a region where we've continually fricked things up. But hey, as long as it's someone else's kid getting shot at, what the hell.
I love how some think that all our problem is the Middle East will just disappear if we only get out of the region. We did that starting in 2008 and things have only got worse and the region is even more unstable.
Terrorists have seized a huge swath of Syria & Iraq, Iraq itself has all but been carved up. Iran now has more influence in Iraq than we do, Yemem, Lybia, and several other countries are all but failed states now, Russia is once again a major player in the region, the Taliban is resurgent in Afganistan, and on top of it all, Iran is almost assured to have a nuclear weapon within the next few years.
Oh yes, disengagement in the Middle East is just going swimmingly.
This post was edited on 9/25/15 at 10:23 am
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:31 am to StraightCashHomey21
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its a combat zone
Not one we're taking any leadership role in.
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Iran's involvement in the ISIS conflict is more of a religious/ethnic thing than anything else. Might want to educate yourself on Persians and Arabs.
There's you're problem. You think you're smarter than anyone here when really you're you've just fooled yourself into thinking you're more intelligent than you really are. I know all about the differences between the Persian & Arabs. But unlike you, I'm not allowing that aspect of things to cloud my vision to the point I'm blinded to what's going on in Iraq. The bottom line fact in Iraq is that what little is left of that country is now for all intents and purposes a vassal state to Iran. You seem to be unable to grasp that concept or what it means to the region and the world. So instead of sitting back with your mistaken sense of smugness, you should instead open your eyes to what's going on around you.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:37 am to StraightCashHomey21
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They are feeling the heat while their economy and country goes down the shitter.
Yes they are. Maybe Russia will step in and "help" Iraq with its oil production, etc., all the while helping to arm Iran. Can't happen, right???
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:38 am to Darth_Vader
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Not one we're taking any leadership role in.
Thats just not true, we have the most NATO forces there and will for the foreseeable future.
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There's you're problem. You think you're smarter than anyone here when really you're you've just fooled yourself into thinking you're more intelligent than you really are. I know all about the differences between the Persian & Arabs. But unlike you, I'm not allowing that aspect of things to cloud my vision to the point I'm blinded to what's going on in Iraq. The bottom line fact in Iraq is that what little is left of that country is now for all intents and purposes a vassal state to Iran. You seem to be unable to grasp that concept or what it means to the region and the world. So instead of sitting back with your mistaken sense of smugness, you should instead open your eyes to what's going on around you.
Take your own advice.
Your head is in the sand if you don't think the religious and ethnic aspect is a major player in this. Iran and the militias it backs are to protect Muslims of the same sect.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 10:58 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Thats just not true, we have the most NATO forces there and will for the foreseeable future.
WE don't even have a single US base left in Afghanistan and haven't for almost a year now.
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Take your own advice.
Your head is in the sand if you don't think the religious and ethnic aspect is a major player in this. Iran and the militias it backs are to protect Muslims of the same sect.
They're there to assert Iranian control over Iraq and they're using the Shia Iraqis as their pawns. And when the dust settles, Iraq will be gone and there will be a bloodbath for the Sunni who in turn will look to Sunni ISIS to save them. It's going to be an even worse bloodbath than it is now.
This post was edited on 9/25/15 at 10:59 am
Posted on 9/25/15 at 11:00 am to Wtodd
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Seriously who cares....it's Iraq. I think we've fricked it up enough....let someone else take a crack at it.
Russians are in Syria and now Iraq? Hey if they want to sack up and take some of this fight on, more power to them.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 11:10 am to bamarep
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Do ya'll even pipeline to Europe?
Do ya'll even Shia/Sunni what's going on?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 11:12 am to Spaceman Spiff
This is what will happen:
Iran will never leave.
Russia has cut a deal with Iran for Iraq's geostrategic locations for long-term petrol.
Iran will never leave.
Russia has cut a deal with Iran for Iraq's geostrategic locations for long-term petrol.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 11:14 am to 14&Counting
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Russians are in Syria and now Iraq? Hey if they want to sack up and take some of this fight on, more power to them.
Russia isn't in Iraq, at least not yet. They're still building up their forces in Syria. What happens next is anyone's guess. I'd say there's a good probability there will emerge some sort of alliance between Russia and Syria with Iran to crush ISIS. When it's all said and done, most of Iraq will end up under the control of Iran, or at least a puppet of Iran, and Russia will be seen as the major "world" power over the region.
One thing about this is how will Saudi Arabia react? They'll have a powerful Iran sitting on their doorstep, an Iran that by then will probably have the bomb, and also has a powerful ally in Russia to back them up. I'd say at the least Saudi Arabia will respond with their own attempt at building nuclear weapons and then we'll have a new nuclear arms race on our hands, this time in the very unstable Middle East.
This post was edited on 9/25/15 at 11:19 am
Posted on 9/25/15 at 11:25 am to Darth_Vader
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What we're seeing in the Middle East, from the rise of ISIS, the fracturing of Iraq, the civil war in Syria, and now the emergence of Russia as a major player once again in the Middle East are all a direct consequence of the US disengaging from it's leadership role in the Middle East.
When Obama basically abandoned Iraq and Afghanistan, then showed he was a weak and feckless leader with his empty "red line" threat in Syria, and now has bent over and grabbed his ankles in the deal with Iran, he showed the world that the US is no longer the world leader it once was. This move created a power vacuum in the region. and as the old saying goes, politics abhors a vacuum. The first result in the US pulling back was the rise of ISIS. Now, Russia is stepping in to fill the role the US once held. The only question lest is what will the long term consequences be for this power shift in the Middle East and what that means for us.
Why would people downvote this? It's exactly what is happening due to disengagement. Maintaining presence is key. How are we supposed to be the major power broker in a country with a shite government if we have zero assets within country?
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