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re: Rush Limbaugh thinks evolution is a hoax because gorilla never became human

Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:49 pm to
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:49 pm to
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I didn't read what you said because in response to a question about the origin of LIQUID water, you post a picture of fricking Saturn.



I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't think that water was a bit more rare in the universe, which is why I provided you an image of a planet that has enough water to fill our oceans a 100 times over.

After that I assumed you were an idiot, which was correct, and explained why liquid water was common in the solar system itself. You're a moron if you use "liquid water" as a definitive example when there have been confirmed oceans on Mars and Europa.
Posted by tuptiger
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:51 pm to
It goes into the odds of evolution occurring on a macroscale, the original point in contention. I love your odds making. There is a 100% chance of evolution occurring because it occurred.

I bet there's a chance of 1 of the GS Warriors beating the OKC Thunder the other night.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:51 pm to
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That's like saying the odds of you existing are one. That's ridiculous.


That's a fact, it's how math works

The probability of me existing prior to my existence was less than one (and fundamentally not calculable). The probability of me existing now is 1.

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Just because you exist doesn't mean the odds of your existence are one.



Yeah, that's exactly what it means. The odds of the Warriors winning the Western Conference are currently 1. their calculated odds prior to winning the conference are now irrelevant in a discussion of how likely it is that they would win, because they did win.

You only get to ponder the odds against you existing because you exist, and thus such an argument for or against the existence of God is meaningless.
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:53 pm to
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There is a 100% chance of evolution occurring because it occurred.

Correct.
Posted by tuptiger
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:53 pm to
So, I've linked two articles claiming the implausibility of liquid water on Mars and Venus. Where are we going next? fricking Pluto? It's ice.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:54 pm to
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There is a 100% chance of evolution occurring because it occurred.


Correct

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I bet there's a chance of 1 of the GS Warriors beating the OKC Thunder the other night.


Also correct

The calculated odds of an event occurring prior to it occurring become irrelevant once it occurs in a discussion of that event's causation.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:54 pm to
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What are the odds of evolution occurring? It's happened on a macroscale like on Earth how many times?

I'm sure you believe in the empirical Martians in the Solar a System.




You are so fricking ignorant you don't know that Mars once and really still does have flowing water (a pretty big story about 8 months ago BTW). It's entirely feasible that life existed on Mars and still does in some form. The planet produces methane, which is very strong evidence in its favor.

In fact it is entirely feasible that life on Earth originated on Mars, an asteroid hit Mars, flung a rock towards Earth, and the microbes that landed on Earth became what is known as us. It's a totally insane theory, but also totally plausible on top of that. The universe is crazy when you think about it, but you would rather think of it as a God who tells you not to jack off.
Posted by Mung
Ba’on Rooj
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:55 pm to
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The Bible say eve evolved from a rib and dirt


So how come there is still dirt?

Rush doesn't believe lots of the garbage he espouses, but he knows his demographic. More listeners means more ad revenue.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:55 pm to
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Correct


I'm trying to be nice, but it's really mindblowing
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:57 pm to
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So, I've linked two articles claiming the implausibility of liquid water on Mars and Venus. Where are we going next? fricking Pluto? It's ice.


There WAS once liquid water on Mars, and we can detect methane emission from the planet which is a strong indicator of life either currently existing or existing at some point in the past.
Posted by tuptiger
Member since Jan 2008
4314 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:57 pm to
What were the odds of you being conceived? 100%?

So, I'll break it down.

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triplets and quads represented 14.87 of every 1.000 births or 1 in 67 pregnancies was a multiple birth (or 1 in every 34 children is a twin/triplet). You'll increase your odds of having twins/multiples if.... Maternal Age : You (the mother) are over age 35.


LINK

So, the odds of a mother who has had quintuplets having quintuplets is 1? The odds are actually calculated in the article.

Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:58 pm to
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So, the odds of a mother who has had quintuplets having quintuplets is 1?


The odds of a mother of quintuplets having quintuplets after the fact is 1, yes. The odds of my wife having quintuplets in the future is very, very, very small.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38296 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:59 pm to
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So, the odds of a mother who has had quintuplets having quintuplets is 1?
.

Obviously.
Posted by Cruiserhog
Little Rock
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:59 pm to
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Has anyone found a DNA connection yet? If so this thread is useless. If not I'd have no more reason to think I came from a goorilla than from a butterfly.


the amount of abject stupidity in this thread is actually depressing. You people have the entirety of the internet available to you and you continue to wallow in ignorance.

There are several corroborating lines of genetic evidence that prove we are apes.

there is the MYH16 gene and its frameshift mutation that rid humans of large masticating muscles and the thickened attachment points in our skull making way for the enlargement of our cranium

there is the fusion of our chromosome 2, apes have 48 chromosomes and humans have 46...you cant lose a whole chromosome, that would be fatal, so because the Theory of Evolution states we are related, geneticist knew to look for a fusion site and located it so precisely they know the exact base pair where the fusion of #2 occurred, including teliomeres (end segments of chromosomes) centrally located on #2

you obviously dont know about Endogenous Retroviral (ERV's) insertion points and why they prove we are related to apes. These are specific location in the genome that a virus inserted its RNA into a gamete of the animal which meant that DNA would be passed on for all eternity once that gamete was fertilized. We share several hundred thousand of these with apes whick means that DNA from the viruses was passed down to us thru ancestral history as simply getting one viral insertion the same randomly would be 1 in 2 billion... again we share over 100k of these with apes.

perhaps you should read up on them and what makes them markers for the lineages found within the tree of life.



these are 3 of the simplest genetic examples that prove we are apes with screwed up genes.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 12:05 am
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:02 am to
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there is the fusion of our chromosome 2, apes have 48 chromosomes and humans have 46...you cant lose a whole chromosome, that would be fatal, so because the Theory of Evolution states we are related, geneticist knew to look for a fusion site and located it so precisely they know the exact base pair where the fusion of #2 occurred, including teliomeres (end segments of chromosomes) centrally located on #2


The creationist mental gymnastics to get around this fundamentally fatal piece of evidence are a trip to read

They literally make up new definitions of words
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:04 am to
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Venus is a bit closer to the Sun so it is a bit warmer so there is slightly more water in the atmosphere than in Earth's atmosphere. without oxygen there is no ozone layer; without an ozone layer, there is no protection for the water from solar ultraviolet (UV) radiation.


LINK



Oh yeah, this is a newsflash to me. I've never heard of fricking Venus, the brightest object in the sky behind the Sun and the Moon. Nice one-up manship! A planet with massive volcanic activity and an atmosphere that has pressure similar to the Mariana Trench.

You're a total retard if that is your trump card against liquid water being on other planets. If you put Europa in Venus' orbit and gave it an Earth like atmosphere (maybe letting a bit more heat out) it would survive and life would likely thrive in it. Venus is in the Goldilocks Zone, and it is the planet's own fault it is a hell hole. The amount of methane and volcanic gas it outpours would make it uninhabitable no matter where in the Solar System it was. Io isn't the nicest place either I hear.
Posted by tuptiger
Member since Jan 2008
4314 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:05 am to
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Very, very weirdly; no. You have to root around in quantum mechanics to see why, but it turns out that even things in the past, in the most objective possible sense, are also uncertain. This doesn’t mean that, for example, the Nazi’s may have won the war (since it’s pretty well-known that they didn’t), but it does mean that if an event is so small and fleeting that it leaves no real trace, then it may have happened in multiple ways (quantum mechanically speaking).
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:07 am to
That doesnt mean what you think it means

It's also ironic that you'd point to quantum mechanics to try and prove your point, seeing as it's a concept far more rooted in theory than evolution.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:08 am to
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So, I've linked two articles claiming the implausibility of liquid water on Mars and Venus. Where are we going next? fricking Pluto? It's ice.



Liquid water is totally confirmed on Mars, you fricking idiot. For frick's sake: LINK

Don't have kids. You clearly have IQ around room temperature.
Posted by tuptiger
Member since Jan 2008
4314 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:09 am to
It's debatable.
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