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re: Rush Limbaugh thinks evolution is a hoax because gorilla never became human
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:30 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:30 pm to OMLandshark
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he was talking about the unsure origins of water in the first place (which really aren't unsure anymore).
The problem with existential questions relating to a creator is that they always fall back on this nonsensical idea of probability: Without God they claim, the odds of us coming into existence is so infinitely small as to essentially be impossible. The problem with that is that in order to ponder such a question ONE MUST ALREADY EXIST. If we never came into existence, we could never ask ourselves such questions in the first place. Calculating such a supposed probability in hindsight is paradoxical because you DO exist and the probability of you existing is 1.
The problem with existential questions relating to a creator is that they always fall back on this nonsensical idea of probability: Without God they claim, the odds of us coming into existence is so infinitely small as to essentially be impossible. The problem with that is that in order to ponder such a question ONE MUST ALREADY EXIST. If we never came into existence, we could never ask ourselves such questions in the first place. Calculating such a supposed probability in hindsight is paradoxical because you DO exist and the probability of you existing is 1.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:31 pm to OMLandshark
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Using such methods, many scientists infer that liquid water once covered large areas of Venus and Mars.
INFER. You are way too stupid to even remotely discuss this with.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:32 pm to Gugich22
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My only question about evolution is why and when did it stop? Does it occur over such a long period of time that no one has ever witnessed it? And if it has stopped, why? Did the universe just nod her head in satisfaction and say "yep...I'm done."?
I face palmed IRL.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:35 pm to Gugich22
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My only question about evolution is why and when did it stop?
Holy shite.
PLEASE tell me you didn't have children.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The origin of water on Earth, or the reason that there is clearly more liquid water on Earth than on the other rocky planets of the Solar System, is not completely understood. There exist numerous more or less mutually compatible hypotheses as to how water may have accumulated on Earth's surface over the past 4.6 billion years in sufficient quantity to form oceans.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:36 pm to tuptiger
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Why don't you explain it to me then?
Like most scientific topics, it isnt something that can easily be explained in a message board post. I have two biology degrees and an MD and I'm not even remotely an expert on the topic. Evolution as a general idea is fairly easy to understand, but the intricacies are wildly complex.
Here's some starter material on the RNA/DNA topic, but its very difficult to understand fully without at least a decent background in the biological sciences:
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:37 pm to Gugich22
This has already been addressed many times in many different ways in this thread.
It didn't stop.
Kind of but not really. You can observe the micro effects in a human lifetime. The micro effects add up.
A contributing factor to what seems to be your misunderstanding is that evolution does not mean steady improvements. It is not a synonym of upgrade. Another misunderstanding is that evolution is an origin theory or explanation. It isn't. It explains diversity. It does not explain the existence of life itself. Finally, evolution is not in direct opposition to Christianity.
I know you didn't say anything in that last paragraph, but I wanted to throw it together.
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My only question about evolution is why and when did it stop?
It didn't stop.
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Does it occur over such a long period of time that no one has ever witnessed it?
Kind of but not really. You can observe the micro effects in a human lifetime. The micro effects add up.
A contributing factor to what seems to be your misunderstanding is that evolution does not mean steady improvements. It is not a synonym of upgrade. Another misunderstanding is that evolution is an origin theory or explanation. It isn't. It explains diversity. It does not explain the existence of life itself. Finally, evolution is not in direct opposition to Christianity.
I know you didn't say anything in that last paragraph, but I wanted to throw it together.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:39 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Without God they claim, the odds of us coming into existence is so infinitely small
What are the odds of evolution occurring? It's happened on a macroscale like on Earth how many times?
I'm sure you believe in the empirical Martians in the Solar a System.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:40 pm to tuptiger
Where did I say otherwise? I thought you were referring to the origins of H2O in the first place, not why Earth has so much more water than everyone else.
To answer what I now understand to be your question, first of all we didnt always have all this water and other planets had a lot. As to why we CURRENTLY have so much more water than the other non-gaseous planets in our solar system is absolutely a topic of debate. Why you believe that casts doubt on evolution I'm unsure.
To answer what I now understand to be your question, first of all we didnt always have all this water and other planets had a lot. As to why we CURRENTLY have so much more water than the other non-gaseous planets in our solar system is absolutely a topic of debate. Why you believe that casts doubt on evolution I'm unsure.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:41 pm to tuptiger
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What are the odds of evolution occurring?
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:41 pm to Gugich22
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My only question about evolution is why and when did it stop? Does it occur over such a long period of time that no one has ever witnessed it? And if it has stopped, why? Did the universe just nod her head in satisfaction and say "yep...I'm done."?
We didnt stop evolving. We are evolving every day. You are blind if you dont see it.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:43 pm to lsuwontonwrap
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“And how come he didn’t become one of us?”
is this real? LOL
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:44 pm to Roger Klarvin
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This is different on Mars: the low pressure and low temperatures do not allow water to be stable in the liquid phase. Therefore, water on Mars is usually only stable as ice on the surface and as vapor in the atmosphere. A phase diagram showing the different phases of water as a function of temperature and pressure.
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:44 pm to tuptiger
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IS THAT LIQUID WATER AROUND SATURN?
Did you read anything I said after that? The only point with Saturn is there's plenty of water to populate an ocean. I was hoping beyond hope you thought there was some sort of scarcity and that's why water wasn't abundant enough to regularly populate an ocean elsewhere.
If you read on, you would know I first cited Europa. Europa is confirmed to have a complete ocean beneath the surface and has more water on it than the Earth itself. If you move Europa closer to the Sun and give it a bit of an atmosphere, then it instantly turns into a Water World.
Secondly, we have Mars. Mars is confirmed to currently have liquid water on it. A small amount, but enough to take notice of from orbit. Not only that but we've known that Mars has had rivers and oceans on it at least at one point since 1858. That's right, we've known about them since the mid-19th century. The only question at the time was if those rivers and oceans were still around. It's not a question of if there was liquid water in abundance on Mars, but when.
Now, with hundreds of trillions of stars with hundreds of quadrillions of planets and moons, and 2 other confirmed cases in our own solar system, why is this any proof of anything other than it being abundant? Seriously, we're pretty sure some exoplanets we've seen have oceans, and those are all really close.
Why is this proof of anything? It's clear you're a simpleton who has listened to a snake oil salesman who is lying to your face. We've known about liquid water on other planets for 2 fricking centuries. And it's our neighbor. The only thing that says is it's highly likely there is more life out there. Hell, there could be some on Europa and Mars for all we know. Mars is naturally creating methane, and the planet we know for a fact is dead to where it shouldn't be doing this unless there is life.
Seriously, I'm a space nerd, and don't debate your position in the cosmos with me when you barely know the difference between a moth and a bee.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:45 pm to Roger Klarvin
That's like saying the odds of you existing are one. That's ridiculous. Just because you exist doesn't mean the odds of your existence are one.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:46 pm to OMLandshark
I didn't read what you said because in response to a question about the origin of LIQUID water, you post a picture of fricking Saturn.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:47 pm to Gugich22
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My only question about evolution is why and when did it stop? Does it occur over such a long period of time that no one has ever witnessed it? And if it has stopped, why? Did the universe just nod her head in satisfaction and say "yep...I'm done."?
Oh Gugich. Please no, don't make me spell this out for a poster I like.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:47 pm to tuptiger
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It's happened on a macroscale like on Earth how many times?
This is unknowable, irrelevant and an illegitimate question. Evolutionary principles are based on life here on Earth, using our mechanisms and our biology. Life elsewhere, if it exists, likely came about very differently with very different fundamental qualities. It might be so different as to escape our narrow definition of life altogether.
Asking if evolution occurred elsewhere as it has here is like asking if sentient life exists elsewhere would they drive cars.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:48 pm to OMLandshark
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Venus is a bit closer to the Sun so it is a bit warmer so there is slightly more water in the atmosphere than in Earth's atmosphere. without oxygen there is no ozone layer; without an ozone layer, there is no protection for the water from solar ultraviolet (UV) radiation.
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