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re: Retiring Baby boomers increasingly saying they will need money from their children

Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:39 am to
Posted by Sao
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:39 am to

You have to take into account what life expectancy was in the 20's, 30's etc I think. "Retirement" during the genesis of SS was extrapolated using then current data. LE today isn't even close to what it was then. 20 years difference.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:40 am to
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Why wouldn't you take care of your parents in their later years?

i think this is more like mid-50s to late 60s when they're still capable of doing it themselves they've just financed a life they can no longer afford and need their kids to pay for it. i don't think it's a "i'm unable to support myself and need help in my final years" scenario
Posted by Sao
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:41 am to
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and the debt they accumulated on that wealth



What debt? Personal or national? Because if you say national, we have some war/conflicts to discuss.
Posted by Traveler
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:42 am to
As much as it pains me to say, it is sad what my generation is leaving behind. I started at the bottom level of my career, made the sacrifices needed at the time, worked hard and lived within my income. After putting two kids through college & weddings, I was still able to retire early with no worries. I won't be a burden on the system and my kids will be left with enough to put away for their future.
The "live for today, don't worry about tomorrow" ideology has put a lot of seniors in the position they are in today. They were warned, they ignored it and thought it would happen to somebody else. It's hard to feel bad for them when they were eating steak and I was eating beanie weenies.
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:43 am to
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i moved out of my old place when she moved to live in her house in LC and i'm basically doing a long renovation so we can hopefully sell it in a year or so while housing is still peaking here. it's frustrating at times b/c it's an old house and needs lots of work but it's family and we're basically all in it together as a family, just like we always have been. ultimately it's 1/3 mine so i'm investing in my future property.


It’s funny how family units are almost communist in the way they support each other
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:43 am to
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Me and my 2 siblings are all successful GenX'ers


I do quite well, too....I'm talking in the generalities required to describe generations. We've had it MUCH tougher than our parents had it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:43 am to
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What debt? Personal or national? Because if you say national, we have some war/conflicts to discuss.

personal. the people in the article are living beyond their means and are leveraged to the hilt
Posted by dawgfan24348
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:44 am to
Well at least they'll get money from paying into SS
Posted by Sao
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:45 am to

Ok, so what? They fricked up. We all know people of every single age range who do it.

What's the issue?
Posted by canyon
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:45 am to
I am on the tail end of the boomer gen and didn’t have to depend on parents nor will we depend on our kids. My parents were very frugal and had everything paid for and a decent savings/investment plan until they both passed away.

I am amazed though st the numbers of boomers that can’t say they are ok and planned poorly throughout adulthood.

I think having parents that made sure we understood responsibility and the meaning of planning went a long way in our success.
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:46 am to
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personal. the people in the article are living beyond their means and are leveraged to the hilt


So is our government...and, despite the Boomery excuse, it ain't because of wars.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:48 am to
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It’s funny how family units are almost communist in the way they support each other

it's not that funny. it's biology

Milton Friedman clip

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Milton Friedman: I beg your pardon, I’m afraid I don’t know the family you come from, but as you grow up you will discover that this is really a family society and not an individual society. We tend to talk about an individualist society, but it really isn’t. It’s a family society. And the greatest incentives of all, the incentives that have really driven people on, have largely been the incentives of family creation, of establishing their families on a decent system. What is the effect of a 100 percent inheritance tax? The effect of a 100 percent inheritance tax is to encourage people to dissipate their wealth in high living.


i can quote some Gad Saad on why we prefer family from evolutionary reasons, if you want

it's not "communism" to protect your family
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:49 am to
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Ok, so what? They fricked up

i was responding to this comment

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you stand to take in their wealth.


if they "fricked up", as you put it, they don't stand to inherit shite, and your false dichotomy dissolves into unicorn farts
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:50 am to
You guys don't understand how we got to where we are. I mean, in the 50's we were just starting nationwide interstate construction. During war. During, at that point, mechanical and technology progress never seen before.

You think everything before 1990 was the dust bowl?
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 11:51 am
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:51 am to
That's probably because they wasted all their money getting their kids out of financial trouble.
Posted by JohnnyT
Central Texas
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:51 am to
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Twice as many now say they may have to rely on children or family to support them financially.
Does this mean 10 respondents instead of 5 are saying this?
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:54 am to
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if they "fricked up", as you put it, they don't stand to inherit shite, and your false dichotomy dissolves into unicorn farts


Slow, that's not generational, that's individual. Kids today may not get anything from their Pop born in 1986. Or whenever. How on Earth is this such a broad swath?
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:56 am to
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If it was allll milk and honey for the Boomers, you stand to take in their wealth. You inherit their land. Their homes bought so cheaply.

Lol, their reverse mortgages say hello.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:57 am to

And so are the home equity loans of 37 year olds. It's all the same! Poor planning ISN'T generational. It's individual.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:03 pm to
I couldn’t think of a more fitting end for the shittiest generation in American history.

Birthed the entire free love movement, taking consequences out of having sex with random people. Then saying it’s ok to murder said consequence of having sex.

Complete disregard for American traditions and culture. Completely disregarded any notion of monetary responsibility and are costing future generations big time for it. Their generation is the cause of the social security well to dry up because they believed they were owed something and refused to save their money.

Their lack of work ethic and free living in their early adult years caused a slow in American innovation and caused them to have no money saved.

Their complete disregard for marriage made numerous broken homes and kids to not have fathers.

Now they are pushing their own shitty agenda onto my generation and the generation before mine in the education realm and are pushing the emasculation of men on this society.

frick baby boomers.
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