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re: Restaurant die-off is first course of California’s $15 minimum wage
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:11 pm to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:11 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Do you all even understand the MPC? If you increased wages at the bottom across the board it would actually have a positive long term effect on the economy. If people have more money they can demand more goods and services. If the supply can't be met, it would only inspire new suppliers of said goods and services to enter the market to meet the supply. Money would trickle up and every one wins.
So for the people in the industry who have more skills and experience and make $15 now, would you not need to pay them more? And what about the people above those people? Everyone would cost more all the way up, not just the lowest rung. You're creating an artificial floor where their compensation outweighs their value.
And do you not think that businesses would need to increase their prices to cover that added expense? You can't just look at it in a vacuum like you're trying to do.
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:11 pm to Chucktown_Badger
I saw a movie last night with a scene set in California, and didn't see a single restaurant worker fired.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:12 pm to Damone
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And just watch: minority-owned businesses will be more adversely affected
they'll continue to do what they have been doing, operating largely an a cash basis, paying just enough taxes as not to raise any flags and their employees will be family/illegals that will further drive down their operating costs
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:15 pm to 777Tiger
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you took that the wrong way, I'm saying that raising the wage of the lowest part of the food chain of a restaurants' payroll by a few bucks is not going to be the demise of the establishment
Was teasing you brah. But I will have to disagree with you regarding wages. This isn't an economies of scale type of situation.
Where do you think the extra $$ will come from? Either cut staff or jack up the prices on the menu; which will in turn turn off prospective customers which in turn leads to minimal business which won't be able to support paying those people $15/hr and then boom - doors shut.
I'd like to hear your argument.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:16 pm to Will Cover
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No way a restaurant owner can absorb that kind of cost.
Agree.
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And no way should a customer have to pay x number of dollars more for the same type of product that may be marginal at best (and was well suited for the price point they were at before the wage increase).
I wouldn't care either way, but that's just me personally. I could see why someone wouldn't want to basically be forced to pay 20% "tip" (via price hikes), but meh. Doesn't bother me either way. I'll end up spending the same - possibly even less.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:16 pm to AUCE05
I'm in LA and I haven't noticed this either. If anything more restaurants are opening than ever.
What I have noticed is some restaurants going to a "no tipping" policy. I have to say that I really like that.
What I have noticed is some restaurants going to a "no tipping" policy. I have to say that I really like that.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:19 pm to Easy
Residents from leaching red States who consistently need govt assistance criticizing California is always worth a good laugh
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:20 pm to idlewatcher
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I'd like to hear your argument.
the economy is a dynamic world, my argument is capitalism, adapt, survive, or be eaten, this seems like a pretty small issue to me
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Either cut staff or jack up the prices on the menu;
that's one option
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which will in turn turn off prospective customers
possibly, for me personally, I don't return to a restaurant based on how much I paid, but for what I received for what I paid
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:20 pm to Will Cover
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As the East Bay Times reported in January, at least 60 restaurants around the Bay Area had closed since September alone.
Well that just begs the question - what's the typical number of closures in a similar timeframe?
The article is speculative at best, if anything I'm astounded at how many restaurants have been opening around here
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:21 pm to Will Cover
Let CA fall apart
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:21 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:That is up to the employer. If the employee decides to leave because someone is making just as much as them that is on that individual.
So for the people in the industry who have more skills and experience and make $15 now, would you not need to pay them more?
quote:Same as the answer above. If they need to feel superior through a wage gap, that is on them. If they leave to seek employment that meets their wage gap superiority it works out for everyone because the job they vacated will be filled.
And what about the people above those people?
quote:Not really. Lifting up the bottom doesn't push up everyone else, it just closes the wage gap.
Everyone would cost more all the way up, not just the lowest rung. You're creating an artificial floor where their compensation outweighs their value.
quote:short term they'd take a hit, but long term they'd be okay because they'd essentially get more money from a thriving economy overall.
And do you not think that businesses would need to increase their prices to cover that added expense? You can't just look at it in a vacuum like you're trying to do.
This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:21 pm to rocket31
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Residents from leaching red States who consistently need govt assistance criticizing California is always worth a good laugh
But, don't you know? Shitting on California is the cool thing to do, Rocket.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:22 pm to Jason in BR LA
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I just got back from Cali and this has no validity at all.
Anecdotal.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:22 pm to 777Tiger
Im in SD and more restaurants keep opening up
Must be fake news. Im sure somewhere like Bakersfield would be hit
Must be fake news. Im sure somewhere like Bakersfield would be hit
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:22 pm to LouisianaLady
Yeah, cause California doesn't deserve any criticism.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:22 pm to Elusiveporpi
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walkons waiteresses use to make $2.13 an hour, thats ways away from $15.A sk me how I know:
Because it is common knowledge among the English speaking world that waitresses made $2.13 (PLUS TIPS). Of course that excludes waitresses that actually have to bid on jobs and pay restaurants to work for them because the tips are so great.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:24 pm to Will Cover
What is California so backwards? My guess.........inbreeding.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:25 pm to SDVTiger
One thing I did notice, good BBQ is lacking in SD. I had some ribs at Coronado Brewing Company, and they were baked. A real smokehouse would kill it.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:27 pm to idlewatcher
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Why do you hate people who want to earn a living wage?
To be entirely fair, I'd have never wanted this wage increase as a server unless people were still allowed to tip.
I didn't even work at an expensive place, and I made more than $15/hr most shifts. I can't imagine working somewhere really nice and only walking out with $75.
As a consumer, I'd be fine with either/or, but if I was waiting tables, I wouldn't want a standard wage with no tips unless that standard wage was 20% of my sales each shift.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:27 pm to chasmania
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I'm not in the mood to debate this issue but what I just said is a fact
i don't believe you
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