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Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:46 pm to Salmon
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I don't think its very pervasive in more urban areas, but in more suburban or rural areas, not being a member of the church might get you labeled
We live in an eclectic upper middle class neighborhood in one of the largest cities in the country. Many victims in the game of modern identity politics are my neighbors.
None of her concern is legitimate. Nobody cares about religion here. It is my wife drawing on her experience growing up in a very religious community. But some battles just aren’t worth it in the war of life.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:48 pm to The Third Leg
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It is my wife drawing on her experience growing up in a very religious community. But some battles just aren’t worth it in the war of life.
Yeah. I'd let the wife have this one, as there really is no harm.
They will figure it all on their own eventually.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:50 pm to The Third Leg
I would talk about most things, especially religion, before I let the state tells my kids what to think of it.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:50 pm to OldSouth
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Dude. It’s either true or it’s not, pick a side. If it’s true, be their Father and teach them like you would teach them any other truth in life. It’s time to decide.
I agree wholeheartedly.
I don't know how this applies to non-Christians. But for us, I'd discuss it and teach the faith as soon as I begin teaching anything else.
I don't see the wisdom in having your kid be some blank slate at the age of maturity and letting any and every resource fill that vacuum while hoping for the best. Guiding them in religion/politics/etc. at an early age doesn't mean you have to unfairly label alternatives as evil or not tell them the truth. Encourage questioning when the questioning comes, etc.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:51 pm to The Third Leg
Very few kids these days know much about Christianity at all. The one that do are the weird ones from what I’ve seen.
Why not teach them an atheistic materialist worldview (yours) and an immaterialist Christian worldview, and let them decide in their 20s?
Warning: This will take a good bit of work on your part and you may actually become convinced by Christianity.
Why not teach them an atheistic materialist worldview (yours) and an immaterialist Christian worldview, and let them decide in their 20s?
Warning: This will take a good bit of work on your part and you may actually become convinced by Christianity.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:54 pm to bayoubengals88
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Why not teach them an atheistic materialist worldview (yours)
Being an athiest doesn't mean you have a materialistic worldview.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:56 pm to pvilleguru
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Being a confused athiest doesn't mean you have a materialistic worldview.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:57 pm to pvilleguru
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Being an athiest doesn't mean you have a materialistic worldview.
“Materialism is the view that everything is ultimately material in nature. At the most fundamental level, everything that exists consists of nothing but matter and energy. Everything is governed by the basic laws of physics and, in principle, can be completely explained in terms of those physical laws.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:01 pm to The Third Leg
Do you what you want but I hope you’re content in helping the decline of Christianity and the growth of Islam. Also, I’m not the most pious of Christians and I’m not a fan of crazy evangelicals but I think it’s important for people to do their part and spread the faith. Going to church and learning about religion also instills morals and discipline which, even if you aren’t religious, are essential for a healthy society. It also provides a sense of hope to the masses. I think the good outweighs the bad.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:02 pm to The Third Leg
All religion is propaganda.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:04 pm to The Third Leg
I’m a Christian and have been bringing both my kids to church since they were born.
I honestly hope you give Christianity an honest chance. Our of curiosity, why are you non-religious?
I honestly hope you give Christianity an honest chance. Our of curiosity, why are you non-religious?
This post was edited on 6/23/20 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:05 pm to Pettifogger
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don't see the wisdom in having your kid be some blank slate at the age of maturity and letting any and every resource fill that vacuum while hoping for the best.
This seems like a bit of an extreme view, so maybe I’m misunderstanding.
A blank slate would imply an absence of morality and values, which is the foundation of what religion offers a person. I’m a quasi-educated person that grew up middle class in rural America—much of my compass is derivative of Christian ideology. I think we’ve done a good job of taking those values and applying them in a secular manner, how they take that and apply it to ideas they encounter will tell the tale.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:05 pm to Philzilla2k
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Materialism is the view that everything is ultimately material in nature. At the most fundamental level, everything that exists consists of nothing but matter and energy. Everything is governed by the basic laws of physics and, in principle, can be completely explained in terms of those physical laws.
Would this not deny the notion of a soul, a reason for existence, and an immaterial creator?
That’s atheism is it not?
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:06 pm to The Third Leg
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think we’ve done a good job of taking those values and applying them in a secular manner
How?
What did you teach them is the ultimate truth?
Without God, where do you derive moral authority? How do you discern good and evil?
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:08 pm to Breesus
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Without God, where do you derive moral authority? How do you discern good and evil?
...or make an authoritative judgement on good and evil.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:10 pm to The Third Leg
I grew up in it
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:11 pm to Breesus
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Without God, where do you derive moral authority? How do you discern good and evil?
would you be a murderer without God?
it isn't hard to discern good vs bad in the absence of a god
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:12 pm to The Third Leg
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This seems like a bit of an extreme view, so maybe I’m misunderstanding.
A blank slate would imply an absence of morality and values, which is the foundation of what religion offers a person. I’m a quasi-educated person that grew up middle class in rural America—much of my compass is derivative of Christian ideology. I think we’ve done a good job of taking those values and applying them in a secular manner, how they take that and apply it to ideas they encounter will tell the tale.
I guess I don't see any difference in teaching children about any of the things I hold dear:
Auburn is the best
The USA is a great country
Jesus is Lord
etc.
I just don't see that there is an honest way around it.
"Why is stealing bad"
"well because it's not yours and it hurts someone else"
"why is hurting someone else bad"
...
Now you may able to answer that honestly without faith, but I can't. Not that I'm intellectually incapable of coming up with a reasonable answer, much less one that can satisfy a 5 year old, but because it's not true. Nor do I think your honest answer is insufficient. But the answer I'd give would necessarily involve tenets of the faith, so I see no reason not to discuss that openly and honestly.
In sum, I'm not really objecting to "your way" because you're not a Christian and thus it seems reasonable from a practical perspective. But there are Christians who make a big scene out of this "decide for themselves" thing, and I just think it's silly. If you're honest and encourage their exploration of things you instill in part of making them their own - I think it's the preferable option. They can reject it. Many do, unfortunately.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:13 pm to The Third Leg
Maybe you should start by not calling it (thinking of it as) propaganda.
Life has mysteries and questions that must be addressed. Some can be ignored by the ignorant, which results in, at minimum, a less fulfilling life, and other issues simply cannot be ignored, like our mortality.
You may not realize it, but you operate under some moral code, some guiding principles, which I can assume, since you are typing in English on TigerDroppings, an American (western culture) message board, is primarily influenced by GrecoRoman Philosophy and JudeoChristian values.
You may also not realize it, unless you’ve studied human behavior very much, that humans are notoriously inconsistent with their maintaining their moral principles and life philosophies, even when those things have been clearly delineated and defined, which for most people, they most assuredly have not been. We are very much self-deluded.
If you think it’s worthwhile to teach your kid right from wrong and how to treat him or herself properly and that of other people in the world, then you have already answered your own question about whether you should teach your kid about “religion”.
Life has mysteries and questions that must be addressed. Some can be ignored by the ignorant, which results in, at minimum, a less fulfilling life, and other issues simply cannot be ignored, like our mortality.
You may not realize it, but you operate under some moral code, some guiding principles, which I can assume, since you are typing in English on TigerDroppings, an American (western culture) message board, is primarily influenced by GrecoRoman Philosophy and JudeoChristian values.
You may also not realize it, unless you’ve studied human behavior very much, that humans are notoriously inconsistent with their maintaining their moral principles and life philosophies, even when those things have been clearly delineated and defined, which for most people, they most assuredly have not been. We are very much self-deluded.
If you think it’s worthwhile to teach your kid right from wrong and how to treat him or herself properly and that of other people in the world, then you have already answered your own question about whether you should teach your kid about “religion”.
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