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re: Random question: why did Dutch language in Africa evolve so much more than English here?

Posted on 12/21/18 at 4:56 pm to
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 12/21/18 at 4:56 pm to
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Compare that to American vs Brit English: 98-99% intelligible and only differences for most part are spellings of some words.



You know how I know you never speak to anyone from the British Isles? frick. I can't understand anything they say.

New Zealanders aren't that bad. Australians? Depends. People on the east coast aren't that hard to understand. West coast? Wow. Awful.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 12/21/18 at 6:41 pm to
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read around 150 pages a night, which gets me to around 250 books a year. I


Wow
I’m lucky to read 5 pages a night. And unlike you, I have a poor memory. So I’ll read an entire history book then forget 50% of it after a month.

Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/21/18 at 6:49 pm to
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As far as time for anything else, I have plenty of free time. 

Out of pure curiosity, are you self-employed, retired, or actively working? Your commitment to reading is impressive.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 12/21/18 at 7:09 pm to
I work, but am hopefully going to get into graduate school next fall. I mostly screw around on the internet at work, and save reading for before bed. I'm so used to the routine of reading before bed that I rarely read outside of before bed.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 12/21/18 at 7:10 pm to
I have a pretty poor memory for everything but books. Constantly losing my keys and shite. If not for reading, I think it would be way worse.
Posted by SEC. 593
Chicago
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 12/21/18 at 8:02 pm to
I'm the Director over part of a team that sits in the Netherlands. I spend about a month there spread out over the year, so I try to go out with them as much as possible. We had this discussion over a night of pub trivia, which had a lot of question where you had to answer with what an item was called in Afrikaans.

Basically what I was told was that the language evolved differently because it stayed very literal in its descriptions to make it easier for the native inhabitants tl learn. For example the word "Pool" in Afrikaan is "Swembad" or "Swim Bath".
Posted by cbree88
South Louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 12/21/18 at 8:55 pm to
A lot of people are struggling with English in this thread as we speak. Is this further “evolution” of the language?
Posted by G Vice
Lafayette, LA
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 12/22/18 at 8:44 am to
And if you want to use the restroom in Holland, you ask for the WC (pronounced "vay say"), which stands for "water closet."
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 12/22/18 at 9:33 am to
There are a spectacular number of dialects. And even languages you've never heard of.
I was reading about friuli yesterday. North Italy. Romance language, more like French than Italian. What's interesting to this thread is there are 4 dialects of friuli.
I'm guessing each major mt valley is a dialect.


Also, re dutch dialects, Frisian has lots of English words. The first foreigner to attend Oxford was dutch. Frisian guy.

Romanian is a kick. They still conjugate verb to be using Latin conjugation.

I'm still trying to wrap my brain around occitan.
"Langue d'oc".
Posted by Masterag
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Posted on 12/22/18 at 9:40 am to
Fris is not a dialect of Nederlands, fyi. It’s a separate language that shares about 80% of the same words
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
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Posted on 12/22/18 at 9:41 am to
I am awful w keys

Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 12/22/18 at 9:46 am to
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Fris is not a dialect of Nederlands, fyi. It’s a separate language that shares about 80% of the same words


thank you.

Makes you wonder where dialect starts and language ends.

Philippines is good example.
Three languages.
100 dialects.
The central language, cebuano, borrowed lots of Spanish words during 300 years of subjugation.
Spanish was official unifying language until 1956. English is official now, since 1947. They are trying to invent Filipino. Made from Tagalog plus language elements from cebuano that Tagalog doesn't have.

Aloha
Posted by Masterag
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Posted on 12/22/18 at 9:48 am to
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'm still trying to wrap my brain around occitan.
"Langue d'oc".


Oi and Oc are pronunciations of the same word for yes JB Provençal and Occitan, two of the languages French is an amalgamation of. Lange literally means tongue, so they basically mean one tongue sounds like Oi when they say yes and the other sounds like Oc
This post was edited on 12/22/18 at 10:01 am
Posted by Masterag
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Posted on 12/22/18 at 9:53 am to
Yea my in-laws speak both, but I can’t tell when they’re speaking one or the other

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Makes you wonder where dialect starts and language ends.


I asked her dad once if it was a dialect, a hell no followed by a menacing, but sarcastic look is what ensued. Lol
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/22/18 at 10:09 am to
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Basically what I was told was that the language evolved differently because it stayed very literal in its descriptions to make it easier for the native inhabitants tl learn.


That's been my understanding when I was in ZA, as well. For instance, a giraffe is a kamelperd, which literally means camel horse. There's also a smidge of French in that language stew because of all the Huguenots that settled there. But I had an Afrikaner explain that he can understand Dutch OK, but the Dutch can't understand him.
Posted by Crow Pie
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Posted on 12/22/18 at 10:18 am to
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Ghetto and Coonass are harder to understand than Swahili
I work with a guy in New Jersey and he speaks so fast with the NY accent I can hardly understand him. I literally have to tell him to speak slowly so I can comprehend what he is saying.

I also work with a guy from Scotland and I cannot understand anything he says.
This post was edited on 12/22/18 at 10:20 am
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
19449 posts
Posted on 12/23/18 at 12:29 am to
Got the Irish and Scottish accent mixed up when a Scot was talking to me the other day. He was pissed. Like calling a Texan a cousin lovin redneck.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 12/23/18 at 7:33 am to
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Why the frick am I getting downvoted. It’s just a lingual history question.



I played rugby with some South Africans who spoke Afrikaans. They used it when being racist.
Posted by SEC. 593
Chicago
Member since Aug 2012
4416 posts
Posted on 12/23/18 at 10:36 am to
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And if you want to use the restroom in Holland, you ask for the WC (pronounced "vay say"), which stands for "water closet


The term "water closet" (WC) is pretty common across Europe.
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