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re: Rabies - how long after exposure do you have to get treatment?
Posted on 6/30/19 at 11:45 am to 225Tyga
Posted on 6/30/19 at 11:45 am to 225Tyga
Might want to read up. Horses can and do get rabies and there is even a vaccination for them so sh*t like this may be avoided.
Rabies in horses
Rabies in horses
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Posted on 6/30/19 at 11:52 am to DeCat ODahouse
quote:
Might want to read up. Horses can and do get rabies and there is even a vaccination for them so sh*t like this may be avoided.
Every one of the horses were vaccinated except this one, which was a new arrival.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 11:54 am to momentoftruth87
quote:So kinda like teenagers especially during the Summer pool parties.
What Are the Signs & Symptoms of Rabies?
irritability or aggressiveness.
excessive movements or agitation.
confusion, bizarre or strange thoughts, or hallucinations.
muscle spasms and unusual postures.
seizures (convulsions)
weakness or paralysis (when a person cannot move some part of the body)
Posted on 6/30/19 at 12:00 pm to chinhoyang
I had a rabid bat land on my will I was fishing when I was like 5 years old and I think it was like a week when the got the results back and started getting shots
Posted on 6/30/19 at 12:02 pm to chinhoyang
quote:
Every one of the horses were vaccinated except this one, which was a new arrival.
Sorry for the bad luck, very much hope it turns around.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 12:05 pm to Civildawg
quote:
I had a rabid bat land on my will I was fishing when I was like 5 years old and I think it was like a week when the got the results back and started getting shots
I think it is still affecting you
Posted on 6/30/19 at 12:13 pm to Civildawg
quote:i'm skeptical of anybody's memory from when they were 5 years old.
I had a rabid bat land on my will I was fishing when I was like 5 years old and I think it was like a week when the got the results back and started getting shots
Posted on 6/30/19 at 12:15 pm to chinhoyang
As long as it's within three and a half days
Posted on 6/30/19 at 12:16 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:
Yes, It used to be a series of them. Now it's in the arm, and not as many.
If he's in Lewzianer, it's probably the old way.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 12:19 pm to chinhoyang
Goodnight man...a late-stage rabies infected horse sounds sketchy AF.
Surely it'd take a solid magazine full of ought-six ballistic tips just to put his arse down due to the number of non-vital gutshot wounds from the bucking.
Hell on heels, literally.
Surely it'd take a solid magazine full of ought-six ballistic tips just to put his arse down due to the number of non-vital gutshot wounds from the bucking.
Hell on heels, literally.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 12:26 pm to Bigbee Hills
quote:
Goodnight man...a late-stage rabies infected horse sounds sketchy AF.
Surely it'd take a solid magazine full of ought-six ballistic tips just to put his arse down due to the number of non-vital gutshot wounds from the bucking.
Hell on heels, literally.
The vet came out Saturday and cut the head off and it has been refrigerated ever since (if it freezes or gets warm, they can't test it). It will be driven to Austin tomorrow a.m. and they will have the results back tomorrow.
They buried the carcass yesterday.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 12:26 pm to chinhoyang
Research for another doctor immediately. If they don't get back to your with either a confirmation its not rabies or calling you in to get a shot, I would consider executing it.
If what you are saying is true, something is massively off.
They don't wait for lab results for a bite from an altered animal. The only treatment is the vaccine.
The time window is based on how close the bite happened to a nerve. The bigger the nerve, the smaller the window. In general the guideline is within 6 days, with a literal deadline of within 10 days. Its 4 shots, with the last one taking place 14 days after the first.
By the time you are symptomatic, you are essentially dead.
Which is why most medical professionals don't wait around to administer the vaccine.
If what you are saying is true, something is massively off.
They don't wait for lab results for a bite from an altered animal. The only treatment is the vaccine.
The time window is based on how close the bite happened to a nerve. The bigger the nerve, the smaller the window. In general the guideline is within 6 days, with a literal deadline of within 10 days. Its 4 shots, with the last one taking place 14 days after the first.
By the time you are symptomatic, you are essentially dead.
Which is why most medical professionals don't wait around to administer the vaccine.
This post was edited on 6/30/19 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 6/30/19 at 12:30 pm to chinhoyang
Posted on 6/30/19 at 12:31 pm to Passing Wind
quote:
You don’t want that treatment cycle unless you absolutely have to have it. I think the doctors probably know best versus the OT. My son was bitten. Same thing wait on test results. He didn’t die.
Well maybe I'm out of date.
In my limited experience they straight up give you the first dose when they are convinced it was an altered animal.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 12:43 pm to 225Tyga
I believe all warm blooded animals can get rabies.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 12:53 pm to 225Tyga
quote:
Horses can’t get rabies
Posted on 6/30/19 at 1:38 pm to chinhoyang
Rabies is very serious. I saw this on Reddit a while back:
Rabies. It's exceptionally common, but people just don't run into the animals that carry it often. Skunks especially, and bats.
Let me paint you a picture.
You go camping, and at midday you decide to take a nap in a nice little hammock. While sleeping, a tiny brown bat, in the "rage" stages of infection is fidgeting in broad daylight, uncomfortable, and thirsty (due to the hydrophobia) and you snort, startling him. He goes into attack mode.
Except you're asleep, and he's a little brown bat, so weighs around 6 grams. You don't even feel him land on your bare knee, and he starts to bite. His teeth are tiny. Hardly enough to even break the skin, but he does manage to give you the equivalent of a tiny scrape that goes completely unnoticed.
Rabies does not travel in your blood. In fact, a blood test won't even tell you if you've got it. (Antibody tests may be done, but are useless if you've ever been vaccinated.)
You wake up, none the wiser. If you notice anything at the bite site at all, you assume you just lightly scraped it on something.
The bomb has been lit, and your nervous system is the wick. The rabies will multiply along your nervous system, doing virtually no damage, and completely undetectable. You literally have NO symptoms.
It may be four days, it may be a year, but the camping trip is most likely long forgotten. Then one day your back starts to ache... Or maybe you get a slight headache?
At this point, you're already dead. There is no cure.
(The sole caveat to this is the Milwaukee Protocol, which leaves most patients dead anyway, and the survivors mentally disabled, and is seldom done - see below).
There's no treatment. It has a 100% kill rate.
Absorb that. Not a single other virus on the planet has a 100% kill rate. Only rabies. And once you're symptomatic, it's over. You're dead.
So what does that look like?
Your headache turns into a fever, and a general feeling of being unwell. You're fidgety. Uncomfortable. And scared. As the virus that has taken its time getting into your brain finds a vast network of nerve endings, it begins to rapidly reproduce, starting at the base of your brain... Where your "pons" is located. This is the part of the brain that controls communication between the rest of the brain and body, as well as sleep cycles.
Next you become anxious. You still think you have only a mild fever, but suddenly you find yourself becoming scared, even horrified, and it doesn't occur to you that you don't know why. This is because the rabies is chewing up your amygdala.
As your cerebellum becomes hot with the virus, you begin to lose muscle coordination, and balance. You think maybe it's a good idea to go to the doctor now, but assuming a doctor is smart enough to even run the tests necessary in the few days you have left on the planet, odds are they'll only be able to tell your loved ones what you died of later.
You're twitchy, shaking, and scared. You have the normal fear of not knowing what's going on, but with the virus really fricking the amygdala this is amplified a hundred fold. It's around this time the hydrophobia starts.
You're horribly thirsty, you just want water. But you can't drink. Every time you do, your throat clamps shut and you vomit. This has become a legitimate, active fear of water. You're thirsty, but looking at a glass of water begins to make you gag, and shy back in fear. The contradiction is hard for your hot brain to see at this point. By now, the doctors will have to put you on IVs to keep you hydrated, but even that's futile. You were dead the second you had a headache.
You begin hearing things, or not hearing at all as your thalamus goes. You taste sounds, you see smells, everything starts feeling like the most horrifying acid trip anyone has ever been on. With your hippocampus long under attack, you're having trouble remembering things, especially family.
You're alone, hallucinating, thirsty, confused, and absolutely, undeniably terrified. Everything scares the literal shite out of you at this point. These strange people in lab coats. These strange people standing around your bed crying, who keep trying to get you "drink something" and crying. And it's only been about a week since that little headache that you've completely forgotten. Time means nothing to you anymore. Funny enough, you now know how the bat felt when he bit you.
Eventually, you slip into the "dumb rabies" phase. Your brain has started the process of shutting down. Too much of it has been turned to liquid virus. Your face droops. You drool. You're all but unaware of what's around you. A sudden noise or light might startle you, but for the most part, it's all you can do to just stare at the ground. You haven't really slept for about 72 hours.
Then you die. Always, you die.
And there's not one... fricking... thing... anyone can do for you.
Then there's the question of what to do with your corpse. I mean, sure, burying it is the right thing to do. But the fricking virus can survive in a corpse for years. You could kill every rabid animal on the planet today, and if two years from now, some moist, preserved, rotten hunk of used-to-be brain gets eaten by an animal, it starts all over.
So yeah, rabies scares the shite out of me. And it's fricking EVERYWHERE. (Source: Spent a lot of time working with rabies. Would still get my vaccinations if I could afford them.)
Rabies. It's exceptionally common, but people just don't run into the animals that carry it often. Skunks especially, and bats.
Let me paint you a picture.
You go camping, and at midday you decide to take a nap in a nice little hammock. While sleeping, a tiny brown bat, in the "rage" stages of infection is fidgeting in broad daylight, uncomfortable, and thirsty (due to the hydrophobia) and you snort, startling him. He goes into attack mode.
Except you're asleep, and he's a little brown bat, so weighs around 6 grams. You don't even feel him land on your bare knee, and he starts to bite. His teeth are tiny. Hardly enough to even break the skin, but he does manage to give you the equivalent of a tiny scrape that goes completely unnoticed.
Rabies does not travel in your blood. In fact, a blood test won't even tell you if you've got it. (Antibody tests may be done, but are useless if you've ever been vaccinated.)
You wake up, none the wiser. If you notice anything at the bite site at all, you assume you just lightly scraped it on something.
The bomb has been lit, and your nervous system is the wick. The rabies will multiply along your nervous system, doing virtually no damage, and completely undetectable. You literally have NO symptoms.
It may be four days, it may be a year, but the camping trip is most likely long forgotten. Then one day your back starts to ache... Or maybe you get a slight headache?
At this point, you're already dead. There is no cure.
(The sole caveat to this is the Milwaukee Protocol, which leaves most patients dead anyway, and the survivors mentally disabled, and is seldom done - see below).
There's no treatment. It has a 100% kill rate.
Absorb that. Not a single other virus on the planet has a 100% kill rate. Only rabies. And once you're symptomatic, it's over. You're dead.
So what does that look like?
Your headache turns into a fever, and a general feeling of being unwell. You're fidgety. Uncomfortable. And scared. As the virus that has taken its time getting into your brain finds a vast network of nerve endings, it begins to rapidly reproduce, starting at the base of your brain... Where your "pons" is located. This is the part of the brain that controls communication between the rest of the brain and body, as well as sleep cycles.
Next you become anxious. You still think you have only a mild fever, but suddenly you find yourself becoming scared, even horrified, and it doesn't occur to you that you don't know why. This is because the rabies is chewing up your amygdala.
As your cerebellum becomes hot with the virus, you begin to lose muscle coordination, and balance. You think maybe it's a good idea to go to the doctor now, but assuming a doctor is smart enough to even run the tests necessary in the few days you have left on the planet, odds are they'll only be able to tell your loved ones what you died of later.
You're twitchy, shaking, and scared. You have the normal fear of not knowing what's going on, but with the virus really fricking the amygdala this is amplified a hundred fold. It's around this time the hydrophobia starts.
You're horribly thirsty, you just want water. But you can't drink. Every time you do, your throat clamps shut and you vomit. This has become a legitimate, active fear of water. You're thirsty, but looking at a glass of water begins to make you gag, and shy back in fear. The contradiction is hard for your hot brain to see at this point. By now, the doctors will have to put you on IVs to keep you hydrated, but even that's futile. You were dead the second you had a headache.
You begin hearing things, or not hearing at all as your thalamus goes. You taste sounds, you see smells, everything starts feeling like the most horrifying acid trip anyone has ever been on. With your hippocampus long under attack, you're having trouble remembering things, especially family.
You're alone, hallucinating, thirsty, confused, and absolutely, undeniably terrified. Everything scares the literal shite out of you at this point. These strange people in lab coats. These strange people standing around your bed crying, who keep trying to get you "drink something" and crying. And it's only been about a week since that little headache that you've completely forgotten. Time means nothing to you anymore. Funny enough, you now know how the bat felt when he bit you.
Eventually, you slip into the "dumb rabies" phase. Your brain has started the process of shutting down. Too much of it has been turned to liquid virus. Your face droops. You drool. You're all but unaware of what's around you. A sudden noise or light might startle you, but for the most part, it's all you can do to just stare at the ground. You haven't really slept for about 72 hours.
Then you die. Always, you die.
And there's not one... fricking... thing... anyone can do for you.
Then there's the question of what to do with your corpse. I mean, sure, burying it is the right thing to do. But the fricking virus can survive in a corpse for years. You could kill every rabid animal on the planet today, and if two years from now, some moist, preserved, rotten hunk of used-to-be brain gets eaten by an animal, it starts all over.
So yeah, rabies scares the shite out of me. And it's fricking EVERYWHERE. (Source: Spent a lot of time working with rabies. Would still get my vaccinations if I could afford them.)
Posted on 6/30/19 at 1:42 pm to chinhoyang
When you get a little frothy and don’t feel quite like yourself
Posted on 6/30/19 at 2:16 pm to Gus007
Technically it’s all mammals.
But it gets to very unlikely if the mammal doesn’t stay around 98.6.
Possums are the classical example of being technically able to be infected and contagious, but because their body temp is so low it really doesn’t happen in nature.
But it gets to very unlikely if the mammal doesn’t stay around 98.6.
Possums are the classical example of being technically able to be infected and contagious, but because their body temp is so low it really doesn’t happen in nature.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 2:23 pm to MaroonWhite
Yep.
Though he is kinda misleading on the Milwaukee protocol. It worked the first time they tried it, but they decided it was a genetic fluke. Following 26 patients all died.
Survivor had to relearn how to walk as of 3 months after release, but she did go on to college.
Though he is kinda misleading on the Milwaukee protocol. It worked the first time they tried it, but they decided it was a genetic fluke. Following 26 patients all died.
Survivor had to relearn how to walk as of 3 months after release, but she did go on to college.
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