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re: Quiet Quitting? Well that a new term.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:12 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:12 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:
Business owner- “This is all we can afford to pay you. We literally can’t afford a penny more”
Employee- “Source?”
Business owner- “Trust me, bro”
Employee- *quits*
You expect the business owner to go over their P&L's with you?
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:13 pm to JudgeHolden
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If you don’t produce at least your salary plus your overhead, I’ll go out of business hiring you. Losing money on employees is not a sustainable business model.
Everyone understands reality.
But the age old ideal is hiring 7 people to battle for a single promotion. At the end of the day one person wins and the other six find a new employer. Now that apps exist, most of those people have connected and realize promotion was never possible…so half the group isn’t interested in a meet and greet with the CEO, and they certainly aren’t interested working on a weekend to impress him.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:18 pm to More beer please
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You expect the business owner to go over their P&L's with you?
Not an expectation, no. Though when an employer tries to feed someone the age old "you're a great employee, and you absolutely deserve a raise, but I just can't afford to give you one right now..." it gets a bit hard to swallow if the employer won't give any detail as to the situation.
On the other hand, it seems as though many people have the "expectation" that employers will give employees as little information as possible, going so far as to create an environment which discourages or even punishes employees who share information between one another. Further, that in those conditions, employees should still be "loyal" to the business and business owner.
But sure, it's the expectations of the employees that are utterly unreasonable.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:19 pm to JudgeHolden
For in-state students, the average cost per year in the US is over $20,000. And so many companies won’t hire people now without a college degree and most of those positions are only paying around $45,000 a year. And that’s if you have a college degree. For those without a degree, they have to sometimes work 2 jobs to make that much.
So they will only make $45,000 a year, working two jobs and on top of that they have to pay $20,000 a year to attend college. OR they can take a loan out to pay for college. But those pesky interest rates will make it more expensive in the long run. So when those people get out of college, they’ll make between $45,000-$50,000 but now they have an interest accruing debt they have to pay every month.
So now they’re just as poor as before, and can’t afford inflated housing prices along with the increase in gas prices and food prices. That’s why so many young people want to be paid more.
So they will only make $45,000 a year, working two jobs and on top of that they have to pay $20,000 a year to attend college. OR they can take a loan out to pay for college. But those pesky interest rates will make it more expensive in the long run. So when those people get out of college, they’ll make between $45,000-$50,000 but now they have an interest accruing debt they have to pay every month.
So now they’re just as poor as before, and can’t afford inflated housing prices along with the increase in gas prices and food prices. That’s why so many young people want to be paid more.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:20 pm to JudgeHolden
Math And hours in a day and cost of rent, tuition, books, gas. Taxes. Food. Adds up pretty quickly. It can be done if you work 40 hours a week and live with 4 people in the hood and have a bus route to work. It can be done if you have parents to occasionally lean on if not you are one accident where you have to go to the hospital and you are bankrupt.
The long term problem here is we stopped investing public schools. And employees in general. Teachers didn't get raises and were asked to buy all the shite for their classroom. Now we have a teacher shortage and shittier education system. Boomers have really caused systemic problems. Boomers are so arrogant and ignorant that they complain about all the problems in the world that created.
The long term problem here is we stopped investing public schools. And employees in general. Teachers didn't get raises and were asked to buy all the shite for their classroom. Now we have a teacher shortage and shittier education system. Boomers have really caused systemic problems. Boomers are so arrogant and ignorant that they complain about all the problems in the world that created.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:20 pm to More beer please
quote:If your excuse for not giving someone a raise is “we can’t afford it” then yeah, be prepared to show some proof if you’re being honest
You expect the business owner to go over their P&L's with you?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:20 pm to Joshjrn
quote:
Not an expectation, no. Though when an employer tries to feed someone the age old "you're a great employee, and you absolutely deserve a raise, but I just can't afford to give you one right now..." it gets a bit hard to swallow if the employer won't give any detail as to the situation.
If you are a great employee, call his bluff.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:20 pm to JudgeHolden
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And you call me long winded? I thought that monstrosity of a sentence would never end.
You seem incredibly upset over a post that wasn't originally directed at you and that simply pointed out that employers routinely abuse information asymmetry to take advantage of their employees. Hit a little close to home?
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:22 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
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The long term problem here is we stopped investing public schools.
last I saw Norway is the only country on the planet that spends more public money per student than us
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:23 pm to JudgeHolden
quote:A lot of employees are. And business owners are crying about it
If you are a great employee, call his bluff.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:24 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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If you are a great employee, call his bluff
That's kind of exactly what is happening
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:25 pm to WinnPtiger
This is all of our HS and College interns. They show up and do their job and that's it. Will not engage with the public, on the phone when on break, remain anti-social, and will not do anything outside their job description. Technically, they do their job....barely. And definitely will not help anyone else
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:25 pm to JudgeHolden
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If you are a great employee, call his bluff.
I have. And I've later had access to the books. Both moments were illuminating experiences that very much shaped my current distaste for information asymmetry in the workforce.
Do you really not see how fricked up it is that the employer gets to work with 100% accurate information while the employee has to guess and hope for the best?
Now, I'm a libertarian, and I'm certainly not calling for any legislation on the subject or anything of the like, but that doesn't stop me from acknowledging how fricked up it is on a human level. And it certainly doesn't make me sympathetic to the employer who plays that hand with an information advantage and still manages to lose.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:26 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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If your excuse for not giving someone a raise is “we can’t afford it” then yeah, be prepared to show some proof if you’re being honest
What is your definition of affording it? Thats going to differ between employer and employee. Of course it can be "afforded", but at some point as a business owner you do need to turn a profit.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:26 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Multiple people have posted in this thread “don’t like it? Quit then!”
Forgetting that’s exactly what’s happening and they’re bitching about it
Forgetting that’s exactly what’s happening and they’re bitching about it
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:26 pm to sawtooth
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those who will show up to work and do the minimum required but not much else.
Well
Maybe if I got the raises promised and inflation adjustments I’d do more
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:27 pm to Joshjrn
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You seem incredible upset over a post that wasn't originally directed at you and that simply pointed out that employers routinely abuse information asymmetry to take advantage of their employees. Hit a little close to home?
Information asymmetry? Really?
Since when has information been symmetrical?
You know what I saw that was asymmetric? Bubbas getting jobs because of who their daddy was.
Know what I did about it? I made myself more valuable than them.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:28 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Multiple people have posted in this thread “don’t like it? Quit then!” Forgetting that’s exactly what’s happening and they’re bitching about it
I’m not. If your unhappy, you should quit.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:28 pm to JudgeHolden
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Since when has information been symmetrical?
You ever heard of collective bargaining
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:29 pm to More beer please
quote:Company needs to turn a profit. If there’s a profit then a percentage should go to the employees at the end of the month as a “bonus” to their base salary. They helped the business turn a profit so they should benefit some from it.
What is your definition of affording it?
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