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Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:01 pm to SixthAndBarone
Imbecile of the year
Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:09 pm to SixthAndBarone
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How about a firefighter refusing to enter when he or she does not have their fire jacket and helmet? We all wish the police went into the classroom, but until you’re put in a situation of a man blockaded inside a room with an AR and you have a handgun and no body armor, you can’t judge.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:14 pm to SixthAndBarone
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We all wish the police went into the classroom, but until you’re put in a situation of a man blockaded inside a room with an AR and you have a handgun and no body armor, you can’t judge.
Oh thats horseshite. They had ample time to do their jobs. They were cowards who allowed their coworkers to get their kids to safety. I'll judge the shite out of em.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:15 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Pretty sure none of the LEOs on this board would refuse either
This. I know of at least one poster who previously taught the response to these incidents.
I haven't followed the debate about the Uvalde incident on here, don't care to.
The on scene commanders made the wrong call. They assessed that the active shooter was no longer active and barricaded himself in a room where either all of the victims were already deceased, held hostage, or no longer present. This was the wrong choice.
Most of training for these incidents demands entry at all cost to preserve life. If, after entering, it's is determined that the suspect has held hostages, barricaded himself in an area where there are no potential victims, or you are absolutely certain all victims are deceased, you can then hold and surround.
Leadership made the wrong call without making entry and gathering additional intel.
May god bless the victims and their grieving loved ones.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:23 pm to p0845330
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Cowardly pussy defending the other cowardly pussies. Wanna talk it out? I’ll give you directions to me.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:44 pm to p0845330
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until you’re put in a situation of a man blockaded inside a room with an AR and you have a handgun and no body armor, you can’t judge
If its me and its children getting shot then you have got to do something. A pistol is plenty. Some people just step up in bad situations. The group of flight 93 comes to mind. They could have just stayed there and crashed into a predetermined target but they said we going out trying. That toke balls. They all died trying and for that they are hero's. Sitting there listening to shot after shot hitting kids that's just Cowardly. I couldn't live with myself if i had the chance and just sat there. Following commands or not. Shameful when kids could have been saved.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 6:48 pm to FLObserver
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That toke balls
I believe you meant took
Myself personally if my kids are in there I am taking by black ink pen and going in. A black sharpie > AR when handled correctly
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:19 pm to rickyh
quote:Ha! My brother is a fireman. He just went into a burning building a couple of weeks ago AND THEY KNEW NOONE WAS IN IT. Professional fireman have to do this sometimes, to put it out. Volunteers stand outside, shooting water and watching in burn to the ground.
How many of you would refuse to enter a burning building if you knew that there were children trapped inside?
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:20 pm to The People
They assessed that the active shooter was no longer active and barricaded himself in a room where either all of the victims were already deceased, held hostage, or no longer present
What? They had kids on the phone with 911 calls and they could here gunshots well after this group of officers, 19 I believe stood outside or were restraining angry and horrified parents. They were in range and heard every shot.
What? They had kids on the phone with 911 calls and they could here gunshots well after this group of officers, 19 I believe stood outside or were restraining angry and horrified parents. They were in range and heard every shot.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:25 pm to TBass82
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There’s an old joke that C.H.A.O.S. stands for “Chief/Command Has Arrived On Scene”.
I am stealing this.
This can be used to describe most of not all situations when someone of authority comes on scene and starts barking misguided orders because they have no idea of the situation that you just went through.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:28 pm to greygoose
I've been a professional FF for nearly a decade. I went into a burning building literally 16 hours ago. As someone stated, professional firefighters are much more likely to make entry (depending on conditions) than your volunteer guys. For a number of reasons. My crew and I have actually disobeyed orders from our district chief before to enter a building where there was potentially 3 kids inside. And I'd do it again. If that shite scares you, (as it rightfully does most people) pick another career.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:19 pm to rickyh
quote:Pics? I love a man in uniform.
firemen on this board
Posted on 5/29/22 at 9:01 pm to rickyh
Had this same discussion a couple of days ago with some of my ex fire buddies. Switching the scenario from cops to firefighters and how the excuses would be different. Seriously, think about it. Firefighters standing outside a burning school listening to kids scream. Hell no. I’d personally die trying before I did that.
I can say this with 110% certainty. If my company were to pull up on the scene of a school heavily involved and we knew kids were trapped inside we’d absolutely be going in. I rode squad, which is a more specially trained medical and fire team in my department. Just a two man unit. We routinely performed interior searches without a hose line and no one else on scene. You think we’re not going into a school for kids??
We took an oath the day we signed on. The day I’m not prepared to fulfill that oath is the day I need to move on. The police department took the same oath and deserves every ounce of criticism they get. There’s not a guy in my department that if the chief said to stand down and not go into a burning building to save children that would follow that order. Every officer on scene that day is a coward. I hope they’re reminded of it everyday.
I can say this with 110% certainty. If my company were to pull up on the scene of a school heavily involved and we knew kids were trapped inside we’d absolutely be going in. I rode squad, which is a more specially trained medical and fire team in my department. Just a two man unit. We routinely performed interior searches without a hose line and no one else on scene. You think we’re not going into a school for kids??
We took an oath the day we signed on. The day I’m not prepared to fulfill that oath is the day I need to move on. The police department took the same oath and deserves every ounce of criticism they get. There’s not a guy in my department that if the chief said to stand down and not go into a burning building to save children that would follow that order. Every officer on scene that day is a coward. I hope they’re reminded of it everyday.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 5/29/22 at 9:52 pm to rickyh
quote:People inside a burning building was cause for me to take the biggest risks.
How many of you would refuse to enter a burning building if you knew that there were children trapped inside?
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:00 pm to tigergirl10
quote:Damn shame. 33 years firefighter and I can't find one picture in my computer files.
Pics?
Just picture a 6'1" two hundred lb. person in tan coat & pants and a white helmet.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:11 pm to The White Wolf
quote:I humbly disagree. 33 years a industrial F.F. Some of those years I was HAZMAT, high rise rescue and EMT. I joined my local vfd and was an active F.F. for 25 yrs. If anything I'd have to say vfd guys were likely to take the bigger risks.
professional firefighters are much more likely to make entry (depending on conditions) than your volunteer guys.
When I was chief I worked toward making it into an all paid department. I won't start a pissing contest because I always felt a kinship between all.
quote:You couldn't be more correct. Common sense and training tells one to be scared. We know some situations are not good. We go anyway. Some don't make the cut.
If that shite scares you, (as it rightfully does most people) pick another career.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:17 pm to SixthAndBarone
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How about a firefighter refusing to enter when he or she does not have their fire jacket and helmet? We all wish the police went into the classroom, but until you’re put in a situation of a man blockaded inside a room with an AR and you have a handgun and no body armor, you can’t judge.
You’re an absolute dumbass across all boards
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:51 pm to Sun God
I knew the answer before I asked the question. I have many friends and relatives who were volunteer firemen. They are usually family oriented. Mostly married with children. They are selfless individuals. Thanks to all who serve. I am surprised some firemen didn't rush in when the cops refused. Seeing the parents screamed at, shoved and handcuffed was a little unnerving. Maybe we should go back to the days of town militias.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:56 pm to SixthAndBarone
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but until you’re put in a situation of a man blockaded inside a room with an AR and you have a handgun and no body armor, you can’t judge
The frick I can’t.
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