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re: Question for Project Managers
Posted on 11/5/14 at 9:52 am to CharlesLSU
Posted on 11/5/14 at 9:52 am to CharlesLSU
It's just the name of the position man. Calm down.
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Posted on 11/5/14 at 9:52 am to CharlesLSU
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CharlesLSU
your butt, it must really hurt.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 9:57 am to CharlesLSU
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Technically, it is illegal to refer to yourself as an "Engineer" without having an active P.E. license. LAPELS (and any other state board)actually has the legal right to sanction individuals who do. This goes for EITs/EIs as well. Until you pass the exam and are issued a lic. number, its a huge no-no. ......... you don't deserve to affiliate yourself with the engineering term because you didn't follow a course load anywhere close to what the CEs do.
I bet you have P.E. after your name on your bank card. It's like those professors in college that made you call them Dr. because they had a PHD.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 9:57 am to unotiger21
Working in interior commercial/healthcare construction, it took me a little under 5 years to get promoted to PM. I started working as a superintendent out of college, and had a stint as a project engineer.
With that said, my promotion came as the result of switching companies. Had I not left, I would probably have been stuck in the PE role for another couple years.
However, if you're going into ground up commercial work, you will be in the office/field/project engineer for years and won't get bumped to PM until you have 10+ years on the job.
ETA: To answer your last question, from day 1 to now, I've had a little over a 50% bump in salary.
With that said, my promotion came as the result of switching companies. Had I not left, I would probably have been stuck in the PE role for another couple years.
However, if you're going into ground up commercial work, you will be in the office/field/project engineer for years and won't get bumped to PM until you have 10+ years on the job.
ETA: To answer your last question, from day 1 to now, I've had a little over a 50% bump in salary.
This post was edited on 11/5/14 at 10:04 am
Posted on 11/5/14 at 9:58 am to poochie
He'd REALLY be upset if he knew maintenance men at large commercially managed buildings were called "building engineers"
Posted on 11/5/14 at 9:59 am to jamboybarry
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He'd REALLY be upset if he knew maintenance men at large commercially managed buildings were called "building engineers"
Or the guy that rides in the back of the train and wears the blue jean hat...
Posted on 11/5/14 at 10:03 am to CharlesLSU
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CharlesLSU
Show me on this doll where the bad man touched you
Posted on 11/5/14 at 10:29 am to MSH
What I find amusing is when you call out CM guys and how reactive they become.
Presenting yourself as an "Engineer" in a public business setting is absolutely illegal. Is this ignored much of the time? Sure. But, the law is what the law is. It does NOT solely indicate "Professional Engineer", rather it also includes "Engineer".
(4) "Engineer" or "professional engineer" shall mean an individual who, by reason of his special knowledge and ability to apply the mathematical, physical, and engineering sciences and the principles and methods of engineering analysis and design, acquired by an engineering education and engineering experience, is qualified to practice engineering, as evidenced by his licensure as such by the board.
Also:
§700. Enforcement proceedings against other persons; procedure
A. The board shall have the power to take enforcement action against any non-licensee or non-certificate holder found by the board to be guilty of any of the following acts or offenses:
(1) Practicing or offering to practice engineering or land surveying in the state of Louisiana without being licensed in accordance with the provisions of this Chapter.
(7) The use by any person of the words "engineer" or "engineering" or "land surveyor" or "land surveying" or any modification or derivative thereof in its name or form of business or activity except as licensed under this Chapter or in the pursuit of activities exempted by this Chapter.
(8) Falsely claiming that a person is licensed under this Chapter.
B. For purposes of this Chapter, the term "enforcement action" shall include but not be limited to a fine in an amount not to exceed five thousand dollars per violation.
C. The board shall have the power to take enforcement action against a firm if one or more of its officers, directors, managers, employees, agents, or representatives is found by the board to be guilty of any of the acts or offenses listed in Subsection A of this Section.
D. Charges may be preferred against any non-licensee or non-certificate holder in the following manner:
(1) A complaint review committee of the board, on its own initiative, may prefer charges against any non-licensee or non-certificate holder who commits or engages in any of the acts or offenses listed in Subsection A of this Section. Any decision to prefer charges shall be made by a minimum two-thirds vote of the board members serving on the complaint review committee.
(2) A complaint review committee of the board, on receipt of a complaint from any person, may prefer charges against any non-licensee or non-certificate holder who commits or engages in any of the acts or offenses listed in Subsection A of this Section. Such complaint shall be in writing, shall be sworn to by the person or persons making the complaint, and shall be filed with the board. Any decision to prefer charges shall be made by a minimum two-thirds vote of the board members serving on the complaint review committee.
Being referred to as an Engineer or having a title as such in a private corporate setting (i.e. Exxon, Mobil, etc.) does not fall under this as it is private in nature and not publicly influential.
Now, feel free to flame me as the nerdy engineer.......you'd be surprised of the reality
Presenting yourself as an "Engineer" in a public business setting is absolutely illegal. Is this ignored much of the time? Sure. But, the law is what the law is. It does NOT solely indicate "Professional Engineer", rather it also includes "Engineer".
(4) "Engineer" or "professional engineer" shall mean an individual who, by reason of his special knowledge and ability to apply the mathematical, physical, and engineering sciences and the principles and methods of engineering analysis and design, acquired by an engineering education and engineering experience, is qualified to practice engineering, as evidenced by his licensure as such by the board.
Also:
§700. Enforcement proceedings against other persons; procedure
A. The board shall have the power to take enforcement action against any non-licensee or non-certificate holder found by the board to be guilty of any of the following acts or offenses:
(1) Practicing or offering to practice engineering or land surveying in the state of Louisiana without being licensed in accordance with the provisions of this Chapter.
(7) The use by any person of the words "engineer" or "engineering" or "land surveyor" or "land surveying" or any modification or derivative thereof in its name or form of business or activity except as licensed under this Chapter or in the pursuit of activities exempted by this Chapter.
(8) Falsely claiming that a person is licensed under this Chapter.
B. For purposes of this Chapter, the term "enforcement action" shall include but not be limited to a fine in an amount not to exceed five thousand dollars per violation.
C. The board shall have the power to take enforcement action against a firm if one or more of its officers, directors, managers, employees, agents, or representatives is found by the board to be guilty of any of the acts or offenses listed in Subsection A of this Section.
D. Charges may be preferred against any non-licensee or non-certificate holder in the following manner:
(1) A complaint review committee of the board, on its own initiative, may prefer charges against any non-licensee or non-certificate holder who commits or engages in any of the acts or offenses listed in Subsection A of this Section. Any decision to prefer charges shall be made by a minimum two-thirds vote of the board members serving on the complaint review committee.
(2) A complaint review committee of the board, on receipt of a complaint from any person, may prefer charges against any non-licensee or non-certificate holder who commits or engages in any of the acts or offenses listed in Subsection A of this Section. Such complaint shall be in writing, shall be sworn to by the person or persons making the complaint, and shall be filed with the board. Any decision to prefer charges shall be made by a minimum two-thirds vote of the board members serving on the complaint review committee.
Being referred to as an Engineer or having a title as such in a private corporate setting (i.e. Exxon, Mobil, etc.) does not fall under this as it is private in nature and not publicly influential.
Now, feel free to flame me as the nerdy engineer.......you'd be surprised of the reality
Posted on 11/5/14 at 10:32 am to jamboybarry
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Also you can get a PE without having an engineering degree
Show me a state that does not require a 4-year degree in Engineering from an ABET-accredited college OR significant past experience in conjunction with a 4-year technically related degree (grand-fathering).
Posted on 11/5/14 at 10:35 am to jamboybarry
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You do realize most all GC/CM firms who hire new grads label that position "Field Engineer" or "Project Engineer"?
If they are working on a municipal or publically funded project and present themselves engineers (even on their business cards), they are in violation. Will the torch-wielding mob come looking for them? Probably not, but if someone did report it, they could be sanctioned.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 10:35 am to unotiger21
I graduated LSU CM in 02 and started out around $43k I believe in ATL with a small company. Took about 3-4 yrs to move up to PM even though I had full job responsibility sooner as a project engineer. Seven yrs later and with a different company my salary had increased 115%. Bonuses at companies I was with were all subjective but we're normally in the 10-20% range. Not sure about the market in BR, but I would guess its only slightly lower than the big cities. Main difference in the big cities is you have a lot more companies with room for advancement...and you learn a lot of different things as opposed to sticking around BR.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 10:36 am to CharlesLSU
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What I find amusing is when you call out CM guys and how reactive they become.
says the guy posting criminal code for people's job title. quote:
Being referred to as an Engineer or having a title as such in a private corporate setting (i.e. Exxon, Mobil, etc.) does not fall under this as it is private in nature and not publicly influential.
Ok then what is your point?
Posted on 11/5/14 at 10:37 am to CharlesLSU
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What I find amusing is when you call out CM guys and how reactive they become.
L to the O to the L
Posted on 11/5/14 at 10:38 am to CharlesLSU
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If they are working on a municipal or publically funded project and present themselves engineers (even on their business cards), they are in violation.
I've worked on state, and federal funded projects. On each of those projects, more than one non PE "engineer" was on staff.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 10:40 am to CharlesLSU
I can put whatever I want on a business card. As long as I am not certifying any drawing or design, it does not matter.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 10:42 am to CharlesLSU
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Technically, it is illegal to refer to yourself as an "Engineer"
My job calls me a Systems Engineer....
I have 0 Engineering credentials...
Posted on 11/5/14 at 10:43 am to CharlesLSU
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What I find amusing is when you call out CM guys and how reactive they become.
Says the guy that just googled and quoted, I'm guessing, "federal engineer enforcement code". Great work there on the research front homie.
This post was edited on 11/5/14 at 10:45 am
Posted on 11/5/14 at 10:43 am to dobiegil
The word "engineer" in a job title is overused for people with no technical background and I find it has become essentially meaningless.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 10:50 am to ljd4662
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The word "engineer" in a job title is overused for people with no technical background and I find it has become essentially meaningless.
Engineer: can you create something that provides a solution to the problem you created
Posted on 11/5/14 at 10:52 am to unotiger21
Get out of BR............then we'll talk.
You don't want to make a career in commercial construction management in Baton Rouge.
I just made this move...........10yrs in the industry.
You don't want to make a career in commercial construction management in Baton Rouge.
I just made this move...........10yrs in the industry.
This post was edited on 11/5/14 at 10:58 am
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