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re: Question for Project Managers
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:58 pm to TexasTiger01
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:58 pm to TexasTiger01
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Sounds like an insecure engineer to me...
Quite the contrary. I am an arrogant a-hole who manages engineers. I actually can't fricking stand them......and I'm a PE.
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Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:58 pm to CharlesLSU
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Not uptight really. Just like being right.....all. the. fricking. time.
Let me guess, you're a PMP also....
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arrogant a-hole
We'd probably get along just fine
This post was edited on 11/5/14 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:58 pm to CharlesLSU
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oh, not out of line at all.
So what you're saying, is that the majority of commercial construction contractors don't use the title of engineer for entry level employees?
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I know what goes on
Clearly you don't
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:58 pm to Croacka
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most of the engineering companies I've worked far would not let us use the word in email signatures or on business cards unless we were licensed
same.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:59 pm to TexasTiger01
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Let me guess, you're a PMP also....
Waste of time certification.....
Posted on 11/5/14 at 1:00 pm to CharlesLSU
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Waste of time certification.....
I agree 100%
Posted on 11/5/14 at 1:00 pm to MSH
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used to work for one of these companies, and, believe me, if there was any potential threat of a lawsuit because of the title "Project/Field Engineer", the job title would be renamed.
General electric, Siemens, PHilips, IBM, Toshiba, Etc, they have thousands of Field Engineers, with the title of "Engineer" on their business cards, and probably 95% do not have a formal engineering degree, and I would assume these companies also know what they are doing. As shown on in this job posting from their website, GE will accept a "Equivalent" technical degree for a position as a mechanical engineer.
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Posted on 11/5/14 at 1:00 pm to CharlesLSU
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Waste of time & money certification.....
Posted on 11/5/14 at 1:00 pm to jamboybarry
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So what you're saying, is that the majority of commercial construction contractors don't use the title of engineer for entry level employees
jesus brah.....I am saying that when said title is used under a publically funded avenue, it is techinically illegal. I know they use the fricking title.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 1:00 pm to CharlesLSU
there are a few Tigerdroppings poster with the word engineer in their username or listed as their occupation
should chicken make us provide a copy of a license so he TD doesnt get fined?
should chicken make us provide a copy of a license so he TD doesnt get fined?
Posted on 11/5/14 at 1:01 pm to EA6B
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General electric, Siemens, PHilips, IBM, Toshiba, Etc, they have thousands of Field Engineers, with the title of "Engineer" on their business cards, and probably 95% do not have a formal engineering degree, and I would assume these companies also know what they are doing. As shown on in this job posting from their website, GE will accept a "Equivalent" technical degree for a position as a mechanical engineer.
we are also talking about louisiana
other states may not have the same laws, or at least not written the same way
Posted on 11/5/14 at 1:02 pm to TexasTiger01
A commercial construction project engineer only reports to his PM (typically), and is not paid to a) have an opinion or b) direct anyone on a project unless handing down a message.
So the job title doesn't mean shite except inside that particular company. Basically you are a paper pusher.
Where this title would be a problem is if said "project engineer" were to be using his title to direct others outside of the company when they have no knowledge of what they speak of.
Obviously if you work for an engineering firm a title of "engineer" would be off limits for those without proper certification bc those are the actuall services the company provides.
Construction companies have been using the title project engineer for years and I don't see it changing anytime soon.
So the job title doesn't mean shite except inside that particular company. Basically you are a paper pusher.
Where this title would be a problem is if said "project engineer" were to be using his title to direct others outside of the company when they have no knowledge of what they speak of.
Obviously if you work for an engineering firm a title of "engineer" would be off limits for those without proper certification bc those are the actuall services the company provides.
Construction companies have been using the title project engineer for years and I don't see it changing anytime soon.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 1:03 pm to EA6B
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General electric, Siemens, PHilips, IBM, Toshiba, Etc, they have thousands of Field Engineers, with the title of "Engineer" on their business cards, and probably 95% do not have a formal engineering degree, and I would assume these companies also know what they are doing
And, if they presented their cards on a public project in TX, LA, and GA (states I am licensed in) they could be sanctioned technically.
I posted LAPELS wording earlier......its not an assumption. Its a fact.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 1:04 pm to HamCandy
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A commercial construction project engineer only reports to his PM (typically), and is not paid to a) have an opinion or b) direct anyone on a project unless handing down a message. So the job title doesn't mean shite except inside that particular company. Basically you are a paper pusher. Where this title would be a problem is if said "project engineer" were to be using his title to direct others outside of the company when they have no knowledge of what they speak of. Obviously if you work for an engineering firm a title of "engineer" would be off limits for those without proper certification bc those are the actuall services the company provides. Construction companies have been using the title project engineer for years and I don't see it changing anytime soon.
this....
Posted on 11/5/14 at 1:04 pm to CharlesLSU
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jesus brah.....I am saying that when said title is used under a publically funded avenue, it is techinically illegal. I know they use the fricking title.
I can tell you that fedgov (not sure about state it's been a while) RFP's for commercial projects list "Project Engineer" under staff and reference "Professional Engineer" with all of it's licenses/certs separately.
At this point we're just splitting count hairs
Posted on 11/5/14 at 1:06 pm to HamCandy
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project engineer
His function is to advise the client's P.E. on how he fricked up and how he should fix it....
Posted on 11/5/14 at 1:06 pm to EA6B
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General electric, Siemens, PHilips, IBM, Toshiba, Etc, they have thousands of Field Engineers, with the title of "Engineer" on their business cards, and probably 95% do not have a formal engineering degree
This is 100% true.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 1:06 pm to jamboybarry
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At this point we're just splitting count hairs
these are an engineers favorite type of argument
I expect 2 or 3 more pages before this thread dies
Posted on 11/5/14 at 1:07 pm to CharlesLSU
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And, if they presented their cards on a public project in TX, LA, and GA (states I am licensed in) they could be sanctioned technically.
But they're not, and it's common practice that those job titles exist on public projects. There is no arguing that.
You're the one that started this shite by saying CM people
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CM people shouldn't EVER associate their roles with the term "Engineer"
That statement is out of line with industry practice
Posted on 11/5/14 at 1:07 pm to CharlesLSU
in my company our titles range from
Engineer 1-3 then to Senior Engineer. none of these positions require a PE license. So no one is required to stamp anything since the risk is assumed with the company not the individuals
Engineer 1-3 then to Senior Engineer. none of these positions require a PE license. So no one is required to stamp anything since the risk is assumed with the company not the individuals
This post was edited on 11/5/14 at 1:07 pm
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