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re: Question for Project Managers
Posted on 11/5/14 at 11:39 am to dobiegil
Posted on 11/5/14 at 11:39 am to dobiegil
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I can put whatever I want on a business card. As long as I am not certifying any drawing or design, it does not matter.
Sure you can, but you can be sanctioned. LAPELS fined a friend of mine for it.......just sayin.
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Posted on 11/5/14 at 11:41 am to jamboybarry
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I've worked on state, and federal funded projects. On each of those projects, more than one non PE "engineer" was on staff.
Internally, they can refer to themselves as whatever they please. In a public forum, they are not suppose to refer to themselves as "engineer".
Again, will they get punished? 99% of the time, no.....but the laws are what they are.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 11:43 am to jamboybarry
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project engineer
More paper pusher, less engineer (not a PE anyways)
I wouldn't "push" that engineer title onto paper unless you actullay have the license to show....Or have money to throw away.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 11:43 am to MSH
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Says the guy that just googled and quoted, I'm guessing, "federal engineer enforcement code". Great work there on the research front homie.
touche'
pot n kettle and all that stuff.....
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:05 pm to Boudreaux35
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I wouldn't "push" that engineer title onto paper unless you actullay have the license to show....Or have money to throw away.
Yeah you totally missed the post there. "Engineer" in that they handle all the admin paperwork for a project (RFI's, submittal distribution, meeting minutes, etc...) and NOT that they are a PE
See?
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:09 pm to jamboybarry
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Yeah you totally missed the post there. "Engineer" in that they handle all the admin paperwork for a project (RFI's, submittal distribution, meeting minutes, etc...) and NOT that they are a PE See?
....Engineer = Professional Engineer = Engineer....see? The point is you cannot publically use the term unless you are licensed regardless of the work you are actually performing.
It is obvious you are not getting it.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:19 pm to CharlesLSU
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....Engineer = Professional Engineer = Engineer....see? The point is you cannot publically use the term unless you are licensed regardless of the work you are actually performing.
It's a job title champ and is not being used "publicly" as you are implying. They aren't using to stamp drawings or certify designs.
Go back and re-read the thread if you don't understand this hissy fit you've thrown.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:31 pm to jamboybarry
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It's a job title champ and is not being used "publicly" as you are implying. They aren't using to stamp drawings or certify designs. Go back and re-read the thread if you don't understand this hissy fit you've thrown.
If the "job title" is published, as if on a business card or even a website stating the title of someone who is unlicensed, you can find yourself, and the company in for a nice little fine.....No matter what kind of "hissy fit" you throw.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:32 pm to unotiger21
The money is in industrial/plants, frick commercial.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:35 pm to Boudreaux35
Guys, once and for all, most big construction companies offer people just starting a position titled " Project Engineer". You are the promoted to assistant project manager then project manager and so on. Just like if you were to go on the field side of things. You would start as a "Field Engineer" then assistant superintendent then superintendent. The terms " Project Engineer" and "Field Engineer" are just the names of the position that most companies use. We have no control over what companies call our position.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:36 pm to CharlesLSU
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Presenting yourself as an "Engineer" in a public business setting is absolutely illegal.
Please link the relevant statutes.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:37 pm to Boudreaux35
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If the "job title" is published, as if on a business card or even a website stating the title of someone who is unlicensed, you can find yourself, and the company in for a nice little fine.....No matter what kind of "hissy fit" you throw.
You guys are amazing
I have worked with probably 100 folks (including myself at one time) who have had engineer in their job title. I am talking about people working on multi billion dollar projects for the likes of Turner/Skanska/Bechtel/Balfour Beaty and have not once heard any employee or corporate executive even balk at the title. This thread was about commercial construction which if you had any experience in would know that is a standard title for an entry level person.
I guess by the law you may be right in LA, although I haven't worked there so couldn't tell you. But if you had any experience in industry, you'd understand what was being discussed here.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:37 pm to MikeBRLA
Look at the LAPELS site
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:38 pm to MikeBRLA
The way the OT nitpicks at irrelevant bullshite and sidetracks a thread strikes again
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:39 pm to jamboybarry
most of the engineering companies I've worked far would not let us use the word in email signatures or on business cards unless we were licensed
but at the same time, i see "engineers" of all types, from garbage men, to janitors, to CAD engineers, so the word is thrown around a good bit
I don't see how Lapels owns the rights to the word or whatever, but I know it is considered a pretty big deal for a non-licensed engineer to advertise engineering services
but at the same time, i see "engineers" of all types, from garbage men, to janitors, to CAD engineers, so the word is thrown around a good bit
I don't see how Lapels owns the rights to the word or whatever, but I know it is considered a pretty big deal for a non-licensed engineer to advertise engineering services
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:41 pm to jamboybarry
It is a nitpicky issue, but TECHNICALLY Charles is correct.
I still call all of those "engineers" working for Halliburton engineers. Even though they might have never passed the PE
I still call all of those "engineers" working for Halliburton engineers. Even though they might have never passed the PE
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:42 pm to Croacka
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most of the engineering companies I've worked far would not let us use the word in email signatures or on business cards unless we were licensed
I've worked with (and for one of) several of the ENR top 20 and I can tell you they all use engineer to describe both office and field entry level employees.
These people are not providing engineering services, but in the field do layout and front line supervision. In the office they do the administrative paper pushing. Again we've gone off into a ticky tack tangent but it's the OT...
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:42 pm to jimbeam
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Look at the LAPELS site
Why would I look there for criminal codes? That's a link to a board that doesn't make laws. People in this thread have stated that using the term engineer is illegal ( criminal). If this is true as people claim, I'd like to see a link to the law. That is all.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:45 pm to jamboybarry
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I am talking about people working on multi billion dollar projects for the likes of Turner/Skanska/Bechtel/Balfour Beaty and have not once heard any employee or corporate executive even balk at the title
Privately-funded projects.......
This post was edited on 11/5/14 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 11/5/14 at 12:45 pm to MikeBRLA
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Why would I look there for criminal codes? That's a link to a board that doesn't make laws. People in this thread have stated that using the term engineer is illegal ( criminal). If this is true as people claim, I'd like to see a link to the law. That is all.
yeah, i don't think its criminal at all
i think the main thing lapels can do is fine you or not allow you to renew your Firm/Professional license
however, if your company has no reason to be licensed by lapels, you don't really have anything to lose it seems like
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