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it a dude or not? Cause no dude I know has a vagina. They either trans or a chick. I'm not out here calling Gina Carano no dude just cause she more masculine than a lot of guys now.

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To put in overly simplistic terms, think "birth defect". Certainly not common, but it happens on rare occasions.

People are born with male and female genitalia, although typically not fully developed. Such as the evexitance of not fully developed or descended testicles and a micro penis. Your "daughter" is raised as a female, hits puberty, and the show begins.

It's a sad situation. I'm not sure if the Algerian should or should not be allowed to compete, but it seems possibly unfair to the woman athletes.

That said, the Italian cop is a pussy. Two punches from a "man" (who has a 9-5 record) and you fall to your knees after 46 seconds and start crying? Toughen up, Buttercup.

I am one eyeing this at the moment and just quickly scanned post.

Differentiation driven by DHT and then later T driving virilization with puberty.

Another example of a possible cause of boxer’s upbringing- 5a-Reductase 2 deficiency decreasing DHT causing various differentiation issue but no T issues, so Viralization during puberty with normal muscle density, bone density, and height development can happen. This has also caused males to be raised as females from birth temporarily or permanently. Some end up being mutilated and treated with hormones, some treatment and/or allowed to develop as a male, and some get a surprise at start of puberty.

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If the patient has 'complete' androgen insensitivity, which means that their is no transcriptional activity or modulation from androgens, the amount of testosterone they produce is not meaningful because they simply cannot use it.

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I mentioned similar for complete a couple times in thread when stating a testosterone test alone isn’t a good measure. I think also stated that partial could also have higher levels of testosterone with varying levels of effect.

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It seems like you aren't understanding that because of the tissue specific nature of androgen dysfunction, using external genitalia as a proxy for overall androgen function, which is important because in this case it is the secondary effects of testosterone that are at issue, isn't a good metric.

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You keep skipping over explanation and also making out things to be absolute that were not stated that way.

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Another example of a possible cause of boxer’s upbringing- 5a-Reductase 2 deficiency decreasing DHT causing various differentiation issue but no T issues, so Viralization during puberty with normal muscle density, bone density, and height development can happen. This has also caused males to be raised as females from birth temporarily or permanently. Some end up being mutilated and treated with hormones, some treatment and/or allowed to develop as a male, and some get a surprise at start of puberty.

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Brah there are like 25 differentials, and there are 14 or so subtypes with specific gene mutations which I guess we could call sub-differentials. There is even a AIS subtype with a trinucleotide repeat which is seen in some neurologic disorders. I’m not sure why you are hyper-focused on one possibility.

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I mentioned similar for complete a couple times in thread when stating a testosterone test alone isn’t a good measure. I think also stated that partial could also have higher levels of testosterone with varying levels of effect

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You keep using a measure for primary sex characteristics as a proxy for secondary and tertiary effects.

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You keep skipping over explanation and also making out things to be absolute that were not stated that way.

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I cannot parse this sentence.

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you know one Arab

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Where did so say that below? I said I had one in my family (should add that I still have several half Arabs), and since you asked if I had seen or met wealthy Saudis I answered that I had met a wealthy Saudi. I could say knew as I was around him more than once and that I have obviously seen even more Saudis without actually meeting them, but I did not expect you to go ad hominem on such a trivial part of the discussion as I could have just answered Yes to that and continued with main point of response.

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Bring up an outlier to prove your point…

I had an Arab in my family, and I did meet a wealthy Saudi. What they are doesn’t matter as much as what their culture pushes them to have or act like. That’s why many run here to avoid fighting while sending money back to terrorists and bragging like they are a part of it with other arab muslims. Boys are desired but not fem or gay boys. Their Machismo will not allow it.

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I’m not sure why you are hyper-focused on one possibility.

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I have brought up several in discussions about this boxer. Why do you continue to make statements that are not true?

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You keep using a measure for primary sex characteristics as a proxy for secondary and tertiary effects.

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Where did I measure anything specifically below?

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I mentioned similar for complete a couple times in thread when stating a testosterone test alone isn’t a good measure. I think (I) also stated that partial could also have higher levels of testosterone with varying levels of effect

Which was in response to:

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If the patient has 'complete' androgen insensitivity, which means that their is no transcriptional activity or modulation from androgens, the amount of testosterone they produce is not meaningful because they simply cannot use it.

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I cannot parse this sentence.

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That’s because you are over analyzing. You read what you want, because you are overly defensive about your research if you are not treated in a manner you deem sufficient for being “the expert” on the subject due to all your prior research.

Anyway Brah it’s just 0.018% of births not something to waste too much of a career on.

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She's a man

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You frick a lot of men with vaginas?

If there was a low T dude with a dick would you bang him because it's a female due to lack of testosterone?

I don't understand how more testosterone than average makes a chick born with a vag a dude to you.

All women produce testosterone, this chick has to maintain 1/4th the T of a dude to compete. Normal women are around 1/5th to 1/7th

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That’s because you are over analyzing. 

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Nah just poorly written.

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because you are overly defensive about your research if you are not treated in a manner you deem sufficient for being “the expert” on the subject due to all your prior research.

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Yeah imagine being annoyed at people not describing something accurately.

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She was a cop? She can’t be a patrol cop out on the streets everyday to have given up that quickly.

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This is what i said earlier. Either she's not out on streets, Italy is considerably less violent than the US, or she's got a strong baton/Tazer game.

In the US, if she's on the street, she better be ready to throw down. Female, male, intersex, or whatever.

There should be a T-level threshold.

Much like you have rules where heavyweights can't compete against featherweights for safety issues, competitors with male levels of testosterone shouldn't get to maul normal low-T women.

The Muslims will frick anything, Goats, dead bodies, doesn’t matter to them. They are known for digging up dead women and having sex with them,