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Question about searching for Jobs
Posted on 5/6/16 at 11:53 am
Posted on 5/6/16 at 11:53 am
I understand that the most practical way to find jobs is by word of mouth/connections.
That being said, should I even bother with online applications. Or should I just using the "cold calling" method and try to ask people directly.
I dont really have the means to travel to all the companies I would like to work for.
This post was edited on 5/6/16 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 5/6/16 at 11:54 am to volod
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That being said, should I even bother online applications.
Do this and reach out to any personal connections. Most companies don't bother with cold calls or unprompted office visits anymore.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 11:55 am to volod
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This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 5/6/16 at 11:57 am to volod
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That being said, should I even bother online applications.
yes, especially if you don't have any...
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word of mouth/connections.
A little trick is to self disclose that you are a minority, female, war vet.....it's just for statistics. It's not attached to your interview, just the data is collected and reported by them that they gave a "minority,female,war vet" an interview.
So you are more likely to get called in for an interview.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 11:57 am to volod
As soon as they see SU, your resume is going in the trash.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:01 pm to Kujo
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A little trick is to self disclose that you are a minority, female, war vet.
Okay. But how do I disclose that I am a minority without being very obvious
Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:03 pm to volod
Were you in a traditionally African American fraternity? If so, the name of the fraternity on your resume might just be an indicator.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:04 pm to AbitaFan08
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Most companies don't bother with cold calls or unprompted office visits anymore.
THIS is what I was afraid of.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:05 pm to volod
If your name is LaQuandatron, they can usually assume you are a minority.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:06 pm to volod
Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:08 pm to volod
I have gotten nothing but recruiters (resume collectors) from online submissions. My best success has been through connections, followed by cold calling. Now I just need these frickers to stop caring about my GPA
There are some positions that I am positive I am the most qualified for. MAYBE one other intern in the entire country with the same qualifications. That's not an exaggeration at all. Still haven't gotten calls back from online submissions to those companies
There are some positions that I am positive I am the most qualified for. MAYBE one other intern in the entire country with the same qualifications. That's not an exaggeration at all. Still haven't gotten calls back from online submissions to those companies
This post was edited on 5/6/16 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:09 pm to Displaced
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As soon as they see SU, your resume is going in the trash.
Unfortunately this isn't true at all. I know the company I work for has several engineers from there. Our government pushes this.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:10 pm to volod
Try a little bit of everything. It can't hurt to try and the worst they can do is say no.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:11 pm to volod
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THIS is what I was afraid of.
It's the world we live in. Honestly, your best bet is to start firing out as many applications as you can. It's a crappy process and can be a full-time job in and of itself if you do it right, but the more places you apply, the more likely you'll get a call back.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:12 pm to volod
Volod, go to the websites of the companies you are interested in. Most have a careers link or available jobs link. I know Dow has a Careers at Dow page where you can apply for openings; not sure if you can just submit a resume'.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:13 pm to double d
You usually upload and attach it to your application
Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:16 pm to volod
What kinds of jobs/industry are you looking for?
Yes, that's how you get into the system. Yes, having a contact or connection within the company is great, but it's not like everyone who has a job got it because they had a connection.
Don't "cold call," but when I applied for jobs out of college, I would submit applications. Then a few days after (if feasible), I would go in person to the office and ask if I could speak briefly with whoever the contact person was. Sometimes, it would be a swing and a miss, but sometimes they would be available and I could introduce myself and let them know that I applied for the job.
When hiring managers get dozens or hundreds of applications, they are looking for any excuse to whittle them down to a few to interview. If they've actually seen your face and spoken with you, even just to introduce yourself, you've put yourself in an advantageous position.
Every time I successfully connected in-person, I always got an interview. And that's how I eventually got my first job.
There will be some people who will say that this is a waste of time and that offices and hiring managers hate people who do this, but the truth is that ANY hiring manager who isn't a self-important douchebag will appreciate the tenacity of an applicant who took the time to dress up and drive over just to shake their hand. It shows you're willing to go above and beyond, when most people are just content to click "submit" on their online application.
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That being said, should I even bother with online applications.
Yes, that's how you get into the system. Yes, having a contact or connection within the company is great, but it's not like everyone who has a job got it because they had a connection.
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Or should I just using the "cold calling" method and try to ask people directly.
Don't "cold call," but when I applied for jobs out of college, I would submit applications. Then a few days after (if feasible), I would go in person to the office and ask if I could speak briefly with whoever the contact person was. Sometimes, it would be a swing and a miss, but sometimes they would be available and I could introduce myself and let them know that I applied for the job.
When hiring managers get dozens or hundreds of applications, they are looking for any excuse to whittle them down to a few to interview. If they've actually seen your face and spoken with you, even just to introduce yourself, you've put yourself in an advantageous position.
Every time I successfully connected in-person, I always got an interview. And that's how I eventually got my first job.
There will be some people who will say that this is a waste of time and that offices and hiring managers hate people who do this, but the truth is that ANY hiring manager who isn't a self-important douchebag will appreciate the tenacity of an applicant who took the time to dress up and drive over just to shake their hand. It shows you're willing to go above and beyond, when most people are just content to click "submit" on their online application.
This post was edited on 5/6/16 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:43 pm to UGATiger26
Unfortunately, HR people and hiring managers think everyone else is beneath them and interviewing applicants is such a miserable chore.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:55 pm to volod
Indeed.com and simplyhired.com are two good sites to use. Or at least they were, I am not sure if Monster.com is still what it use to be, but I remember there was a lot more BS to sort through on it opposed to the other sites I mentioned.
When I was searching for a job at one point, i'd go to companies websites and even if there wasn't a job opening I would still send my resume. I actually got a call back from a company I sent my resume to, without having a specific job to apply for. If you send a resume through email, don't be robotic with your message, maybe even try to establish some type of relationship with the person who replies back to you.
Pull out all the guns. Show them you are searching hard, you are ready to work and you are not fricking around.
When I was searching for a job at one point, i'd go to companies websites and even if there wasn't a job opening I would still send my resume. I actually got a call back from a company I sent my resume to, without having a specific job to apply for. If you send a resume through email, don't be robotic with your message, maybe even try to establish some type of relationship with the person who replies back to you.
Pull out all the guns. Show them you are searching hard, you are ready to work and you are not fricking around.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:59 pm to Hammertime
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Unfortunately, HR people and hiring managers think everyone else is beneath them and interviewing applicants is such a miserable chore.
You seem knowledgeable Hammertime. Why do HR people hate interviewing when that is supposed to be there job. I thought the whole purpose of HR is to find the best workers.
However, online the job boards are filled with complaints about how clueless the HR system at most companies has become
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