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Push for solar touches familiar debate over big property tax exemptions for industry
Posted on 12/12/22 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 12:02 pm
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Push for solar touches familiar debate over big property tax exemptions for industry
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Driven by major industries looking to cut carbon from their electrical sources, large solar farms have been proposed all across the state over the past six years and the proposals easily number more than 130 since 2016, a recent industry count shows.
Targeted for rural areas with large tracts of land largely near major transmission lines, solar farm proposals also have garnered pushback from neighbors, farmers, ranchers, legislators and even local officials who would stand to gain new revenue, spurring local moratoria and new regulations.
Competition over pasture and agricultural land, concerns that solar operations won't offer the best economic benefit for prime industrial sites, worries about cleanup after the farms are obsolete, and the fear of big, long-term changes to Louisiana's open spaces have fueled this opposition.
"I'll tell you what my whole thing is, 50 years from now, I don't want my grandkids riding around Washington Parish having to look at a bunch of dadgum solar panels because this (proposed farm) kicked off, another kicked off, and we don't have any country left," said Otis Carter, 51, a Varnado resident who attended a recent community meeting with his wife, Sheila, over a solar farm proposed north of Bogalusa.
The Advocate is not doing a great job representing the opposition to Solar. But solar farms take up a massive amount of space and produce very few jobs. It's not a real economic development impact like a nuclear power station, natural gas power plant, or even a coal power plant would produce.
Tax breaks should be reserved for solar panel production facilities. Those are much more compact and create real jobs. That way we can benefit from other states trying to go green.
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 12:07 pm to frequent flyer
I've been doing some tangential work for prepping these sites all over the south and these things are going to be everywhere soon.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 12:26 pm to frequent flyer
I have concerns over using land appropriate for homes, agriculture, or any other use for solar panels.
We should be putting these things on top of buildings and homes, not building giant solar farms.
We should be putting these things on top of buildings and homes, not building giant solar farms.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 12:35 pm to upgrayedd
Unfortunately you are correct, all the large power companies are lining up and jumping through hoops to appease the ESG push and install as many solar farms and wind farms as they can possibly build.
Most are doing it to replace much needed power which was produced by coal burners that are being shut down by government regulations.
Other companies are doing it as a speculative market, expecting base load companies to have to eventually purchase it while at the same time, putting money into legislation that forces base load companies to buy their power.
Most are doing it to replace much needed power which was produced by coal burners that are being shut down by government regulations.
Other companies are doing it as a speculative market, expecting base load companies to have to eventually purchase it while at the same time, putting money into legislation that forces base load companies to buy their power.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 12:38 pm to goofball
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We should be putting these things on top of buildings and homes, not building giant solar farms.
Why ISN'T this a thing? What's the roof of Walmart or the mall doing that it can't be leased to these people instead of open land? I would think something like a mall would jump at the chance to make that easy extra income.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 12:39 pm to Queen
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I would think something like a mall would jump at the chance to make that easy extra income.
Mall of LA is covered in solar panels - although the department stores aren't.
It's possible. Also consider Distribution Centers, Parking Decks, schools, etc. Even individual homes. It's just real estate - why can't we just have these Entergy types lease out the rooftop space from other entities?
THAT is worth doing. Not these bullshite solar farms.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 12:41 pm to frequent flyer
Tax breaks should be for everyone. Just get rid of the damn taxes and then we don't need political debates on which industries our government should subsidize.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 12:56 pm to frequent flyer
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The Advocate is not doing a great job representing the opposition to Solar.
So, reporters and news sources are capable of representing sides by selecting specific viewpoints which may not have much merit to make the entire “side” or the issue look bad when there are merits that don’t get reported on?
Seems dangerous.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:39 pm to member12
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THAT is worth doing. Not these bull shite solar farms.
As we sit today- and will sit for the foreseeable future (think generational outlook) there isn’t anything worth doing with solar at the scale they are talking about.
It’s unreliable, expensive, inefficient, produces toxic waste, and until there’s a way to store produced energy- you know for a rainy day- it cannot produce the power required to file the most feeble of economies.
Our society as we know it cannot run on solar- and THAT is the point
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:54 pm to frequent flyer
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Tax breaks should be reserved for solar panel production facilities.
They get plenty of help and a lot more now that the ITC increases for US manufactured modules.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:43 pm to billjamin
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They get plenty of help and a lot more now that the ITC increases for US manufactured modules.
Then Louisiana needs to start going after them instead of the stupid solar farms.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:49 pm to member12
I am sure there is a good reason, guessing $$$, but it seems like industrial parks would be prime for solar considering they are just big flat roofs like this.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:49 pm to member12
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Then Louisiana needs to start going after them instead of the stupid solar farms.
1. I wouldn't expect Louisiana to do anything that makes sense.
2. The state has limited control over this. It's between the land owner, the development company, and the utility with interconnection authority.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:52 pm to Dire Wolf
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I am sure there is a good reason, guessing $$$, but it seems like industrial parks would be prime for solar considering they are just big flat roofs like this.
Behind the meter solar (resi, comm, and indust) are all growing fast and I argue it's by far solar's best use case. But there are some weird landlord issues with C&I that prevent a lot of projects from moving forward. It's not for lack of desire, just the legal issues having a third party owner brings and thats before you get into how you can finance these deals.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:52 pm to billjamin
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2. The state has limited control over this. It's between the land owner, the development company, and the utility with interconnection authority.
They have control over state tax breaks.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:52 pm to Dire Wolf
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I am sure there is a good reason, guessing $$$
Proximity to transmission lines seems to be the main driver
And that picture looks exactly like the industrial parks I used to work in in the Chicago area
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:54 pm to member12
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They have control over state tax breaks.
I've done zero La work but typically unless you're talking bout RECs or something recurring the state level incentives aren't big needle movers. The federal ITC is what matters.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 3:25 pm to goofball
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I have concerns over using land appropriate for homes, agriculture, or any other use for solar panels.
This right here. Completely stupidity to build these farms in places where crops like corn, rice and soybeans can effectively be grown.
Put that stuff out in West Texas or something (yes, I know there is solar development out there currently too).
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We should be putting these things on top of buildings and homes, not building giant solar farms.
This actually is being discussed and hopefully seriously marketed. Think of all the covered parking that is around office spaces and apartments.
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