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Provider Based Billing at a Clinic
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:38 pm
Provider Based Billing at a Clinic is a scam.
Basically this means that the facility bills you seperately from the doctor.
In a hospital setting, this makes sense. You have hospital nurses and other people caring for you, and you have the actual costs of being in the hospital. You also have your doctors, other doctors, etc, who may come visit you and all that, and those individuals may not be hospital employees. So I would expect a bill from multiple entities.
Then there is the LCMC Children's Hospital Clinic. This is a after-hours clinic that is co-located in the same office as a group of Children's Hospital private doctors. You used to pay a single charge when you went. It was treated as if you were just visiting one of their regular pediatricians.
That's changed. Now, you get two bills - one from the doctor that sees you at the clinic, and one from the clinic itself.
The really fun part is... it's both LCMC!! So LCMC sends you a single consolidated bill, that has both the clinic charge and the doc charge on it. (Because the doctor is... an employee of LCMC). But it's technically two bills and two insurance claims.
One claim is for the doctor - this includes the office visit, charge for two tests that were run, and a charge for handling / delivering specimens to the lab. This set of charges results in a contractual write off, an insurance payment, and my co-pay. Fair enough.
The second claim is for the clinic itself. It simply says "services provided". There is a note that says this is related to "nursing care, support and ancillary staff, routine supplies, equipment, and building expenses". Again, I'd buy that if it's a hospital or surgical facility. This is a frickin doctor's office.
The second claim our lovely insurers treat as a hospital claim, which is subject to our deductible, then co-insurance. Since we have not yet met our deductible, we get to pay the full ride for that part of it.
So, what used to be a $25 visit to the doctor, now is $25 plus $28.33 = $53.33. Nothing has changed except how they bill.
It's crap like this, why more and more people are willing to consider single payer.
Basically this means that the facility bills you seperately from the doctor.
In a hospital setting, this makes sense. You have hospital nurses and other people caring for you, and you have the actual costs of being in the hospital. You also have your doctors, other doctors, etc, who may come visit you and all that, and those individuals may not be hospital employees. So I would expect a bill from multiple entities.
Then there is the LCMC Children's Hospital Clinic. This is a after-hours clinic that is co-located in the same office as a group of Children's Hospital private doctors. You used to pay a single charge when you went. It was treated as if you were just visiting one of their regular pediatricians.
That's changed. Now, you get two bills - one from the doctor that sees you at the clinic, and one from the clinic itself.
The really fun part is... it's both LCMC!! So LCMC sends you a single consolidated bill, that has both the clinic charge and the doc charge on it. (Because the doctor is... an employee of LCMC). But it's technically two bills and two insurance claims.
One claim is for the doctor - this includes the office visit, charge for two tests that were run, and a charge for handling / delivering specimens to the lab. This set of charges results in a contractual write off, an insurance payment, and my co-pay. Fair enough.
The second claim is for the clinic itself. It simply says "services provided". There is a note that says this is related to "nursing care, support and ancillary staff, routine supplies, equipment, and building expenses". Again, I'd buy that if it's a hospital or surgical facility. This is a frickin doctor's office.
The second claim our lovely insurers treat as a hospital claim, which is subject to our deductible, then co-insurance. Since we have not yet met our deductible, we get to pay the full ride for that part of it.
So, what used to be a $25 visit to the doctor, now is $25 plus $28.33 = $53.33. Nothing has changed except how they bill.
It's crap like this, why more and more people are willing to consider single payer.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:39 pm to LSUFanHouston
I give it a half a page until this becomes Obama's fault.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:39 pm to LSUFanHouston
Western medicine is a scam. If you haven't figured that out yet, then I'm sorry.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:40 pm to LSUFanHouston
Our health care system is a fricking racket.
This post was edited on 8/15/19 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:41 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:
So, what used to be a $25 visit to the doctor, now is $25 plus $28.33 = $53.33. Nothing has changed except how they bill.
Yup.
It's fun to get double, triple, billed for the same item when they use diff. codes
They will bill under the overall code and double bill using the single item codes as well on the same billing form.
This post was edited on 8/15/19 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:42 pm to LSUFanHouston
It's Obamas fault.
What's really fun is when you go to the ER, for a legit emergency, and then some lab test comes back as "out of network" and adds $750 to the bill. I drove the extra 10 minutes past one ER(in intense pain) to go to the one that was "in network" and then some flunky that pulls my blood is "out of network"? Am I supposed to ask everyone that approaches me? fricked up.
What's really fun is when you go to the ER, for a legit emergency, and then some lab test comes back as "out of network" and adds $750 to the bill. I drove the extra 10 minutes past one ER(in intense pain) to go to the one that was "in network" and then some flunky that pulls my blood is "out of network"? Am I supposed to ask everyone that approaches me? fricked up.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:44 pm to LSUFanHouston
Your kids get tubes also?
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:45 pm to jbgleason
quote:
What's really fun is when you go to the ER, for a legit emergency, and then some lab test comes back as "out of network" and adds $750 to the bill. I drove the extra 10 minutes past one ER(in intense pain) to go to the one that was "in network" and then some flunky that pulls my blood is "out of network"? Am I supposed to ask everyone that approaches me? fricked up.
Get a better network.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:46 pm to LSUFanHouston
Gotta admit, Canada sounds really nice this time of year
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:47 pm to OysterPoBoy
quote:
Your kids get tubes also?
A long time ago!
This was for when she had strep throat
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:48 pm to LSUFanHouston
Baw you’re an accountant you know how this works
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:51 pm to jbgleason
quote:
What's really fun is when you go to the ER, for a legit emergency, and then some lab test comes back as "out of network" and adds $750 to the bill. I drove the extra 10 minutes past one ER(in intense pain) to go to the one that was "in network" and then some flunky that pulls my blood is "out of network"? Am I supposed to ask everyone that approaches me? fricked up
A few years ago, we had a quirky situation where my wife had appendicitis, the hospital, and every doc we saw was in network. However, if the hospital lab ran the bloodwork, that wasn't in-network, but if the blood was sent to labcorp or quest, that would be in-network.
I only knew about that because the doc told us so.
Really, the whole "in-network" concept needs to go away. I don't have to bring my car to an in-network repair shop if it gets hit.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:51 pm to TH03
quote:
Get a better network.
Vantage right here in Baton Rouge.
Wouldn't cover OLOL. Only the General. And the insurance office is on Essen for frick sake.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:51 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:
Baw you’re an accountant you know how this works
I 1,000 percent understand WHAT they are doing.
It's basically legal fraud.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:52 pm to TH03
quote:Doesnt really matter. What he listed is a legit issue even for some huge insurance carriers
Get a better network.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:53 pm to LSUFanHouston
Its BS, you can go to an office that is in-network and still see a doctor that is out of network and you'll never know until you get a freaking 4 figure bill for something stupid.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 2:57 pm to lsupride87
I always go in expecting to pay, yet knock on wood, since I stopped being self employed, I haven't paid anything but a copay.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 3:09 pm to TH03
quote:
Get a better network.
except most people have insurance through an employer so they have no way to "get a better network," unless they want to get a Obamacare care, which may be way more expensive than one provided by their employer.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 3:19 pm to LSUFanHouston
I agree that a lot of it seems like scam, but do you really think you’ll pay less under a single payer system? (Assuming you’re a taxpayer)
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