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re: Proof that HCQ let’s covid attack cancer cells but not normal cells. (Not political).
Posted on 8/7/20 at 2:04 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 8/7/20 at 2:04 pm to GumboPot
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Back to the cancer cell. Because cancer cells tend to go anoxic they build up lactic acid and the cytoplasm evinroment becomes much more acidic (low pH) than normal cells. The HCQ enters the cancer cell however it is still not enough to reduce the pH to sufficient levels to allow Zn++ to enter and neutralize RNA polymerase within the cancer cell. Thus once the cancer cell is infected the virus it is free to replicate inside the cancer cell and eventually kill it (cancer cell). Meanwhile the HCQ has increased the pH levels in normal cells to allow the transport of Zn++ into the cells and neutralize RNA polymerase which keeps the virus from replicating.
major assumption being the mutatant cancer cells are a suitable environment for COVID to infect and replicate. Cancer goes anoxic because it essentially hijacks proliferation and growth mechanisms in the cell increasing metabolic demand greater than the supply.
It also assumes that the cancer hasn't upregulated RNA polymerase out of proportion to the Zn neutralization.
The virus would have to hijack already hijacked mechanisms. It could potentially be more effective at replication leaving you with cancer, and an exponentially larger COVID viral burden. A double whammy.
Or covid may only infect normal cells because the cancer is mutant and may not be suitable, leaving you with regular COVID and cancer. a double whammy.
Or maybe it works like you suggest in certain types of cancer.
Id probably stick with the usual chemo/radiation/surgical treatments.
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 2:06 pm to GumboPot
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You need the virus to kill the cancer cells. The HCQ/Zn protects the normal cells.
So, by giving the patient the HCQ/Zn treatment early, the COVID won't be in the system long enough to kill the cancer. Then, HCQ/Zn will kill the COVID, and the cancer will go back to work.
So, OMB will now cause people to die from cancer as well as COVID?
Posted on 8/7/20 at 2:15 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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So, by giving the patient the HCQ/Zn treatment early, the COVID won't be in the system long enough to kill the cancer. Then, HCQ/Zn will kill the COVID, and the cancer will go back to work.
So, OMB will now cause people to die from cancer as well as COVID?
this treatment would literally kill tons of cancer patients who are immunesuppressed. i hate how people just refer to cancer being treated so broadly by a single agent. Cancer works in many many different ways... Its like locking your front door to stop a robber, but leaving your windows and garage wide open.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 2:16 pm to Obtuse1
Well he is an oncologic ophthalmologist (likely top of his class )
Not saying what he’s saying isn’t true or false, but it’s not that doesn’t have a legit knowledge base.
Not saying what he’s saying isn’t true or false, but it’s not that doesn’t have a legit knowledge base.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 2:23 pm to GumboPot
I have seen stranger shite. My dad's cancer was treated with tuberculosis vaccine injections up his dick.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 2:26 pm to AMS
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major assumption being the mutatant cancer cells are a suitable environment for COVID to infect and replicate. Cancer goes anoxic because it essentially hijacks proliferation and growth mechanisms in the cell increasing metabolic demand greater than the supply.
It also assumes that the cancer hasn't upregulated RNA polymerase out of proportion to the Zn neutralization.
The biggest assumption is cancer cells are sufficiently acidic enough to not have their pH increased by the HCQ to the point were the Zn++ penetrates the cell wall. It would seem that dosage of HCQ is vitally important. In fact erring on the low end would be more beneficial than erring on the high end where too much HCQ would protect the cancer cells. So getting the dosage right would be really important.
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The virus would have to hijack already hijacked mechanisms. It could potentially be more effective at replication leaving you with cancer, and an exponentially larger COVID viral burden.
The HCQ with Zn++ is supposed to protect your normal cells from the viral burden.
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Id probably stick with the usual chemo/radiation/surgical treatments.
Sure. Until the doctor tells you to get your affairs in order.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 2:28 pm to GumboPot
Ok so don’t take it if you have cancer. If I got Covid and it got serious, you better believe I’m asking for HCQ
Posted on 8/7/20 at 2:38 pm to bubbz
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you better believe I’m asking for HCQ
I think you are reading me wrong. I'm a proponent of HCQ. A drug that has been taken safely for 65 years.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 2:44 pm to GumboPot
Does the video say this guy is an Opthamolgists?
Posted on 8/7/20 at 2:53 pm to GumboPot
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major assumption being the mutatant cancer cells are a suitable environment for COVID to infect and replicate. Cancer goes anoxic because it essentially hijacks proliferation and growth mechanisms in the cell increasing metabolic demand greater than the supply.
It also assumes that the cancer hasn't upregulated RNA polymerase out of proportion to the Zn neutralization.
The biggest assumption is cancer cells are sufficiently acidic enough to not have their pH increased by the HCQ to the point were the Zn++ penetrates the cell wall. It would seem that dosage of HCQ is vitally important. In fact erring on the low end would be more beneficial than erring on the high end where too much HCQ would protect the cancer cells. So getting the dosage right would be really important.
thats def an assumption, but that is less important and a much more discoverable fact than COVID's replicative ability within cancer cells vs 'healthy' cells.
A major limitation of this treatment idea is that if it were beneficial at all it very likely would only be relevant for upper/lower respiratory type cancers...places COVID replicates/infects. It would likely be a fatal treatment for blood and bone cancers. No reason to suspect it would have any effect on eye, brain, reproductive organs, most abdominal organs, and skin because of the niche of COVID.
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The HCQ with Zn++ is supposed to protect your normal cells from the viral burden.
And you cant possibly imagine cancer cells with their increased demands wouldn't be utilizing HCQ and ZN at greater proportions than normal cells causing greater protection of cancer cells vs COVID over 'healthy cells'...or that the increased lactic acid enviorment of cancer cells could be less preferred targets than healthy cells.
I mean yea you did suggest a mechanism in a limited range of certain types of cancers that it could potentially work to treat. But im pointing out that there are mechanisms that would likely make your treatment idea harmful or null.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 3:49 pm to jonboy
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Does the video say this guy is an Opthamolgists?
Yes an eye cancer doctor. IDK why eye surgeons are disparaged. Seems like a highly technical profession taking years and years of training. The eye ain't simple you know.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 3:52 pm to AMS
Well just use the treatment on the type of cancers it performs well. And you probably don't need COVID to attack the cancer cells. You can probably use another type of virus that requires RNA polymerase to replicate instead of COVID.
Maybe this is why there are patents on CONVID and other viruses.
Maybe this is why there are patents on CONVID and other viruses.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 4:07 pm to AMS
Posted on 8/7/20 at 4:14 pm to thadcastle
quote:Obama is probably going to get it again. He did do the same amount of nothing as he did last time he won it, sooooo
Damn China is nicer than I thought. They were just trying to cure everyone in the world of cancer. They deserve the Nobel Peace prize.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 4:16 pm to GumboPot
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(Not political).
Yet you bring information here from a guy who's white coat has the name of a political organization on it instead of his own practice.
Yeah. Ok.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 4:17 pm to bubbz
quote:it works best early on, you don't want to wait until "it got serious"
If I got Covid and it got serious, you better believe I’m asking for HCQ
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