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re: Pride month incident - how would you have handled this?
Posted on 6/1/26 at 3:56 pm to wackatimesthree
Posted on 6/1/26 at 3:56 pm to wackatimesthree
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Not what the Bible says
What does it say? Let he who have no sin cast the first stone, unless they’re gay? Love one another as I have loved you, unless they’re gay?
I mean, one of those is like the 1 singular thing you’re supposed to do as a Christian and follower of the Word in the New Testament.
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Posted on 6/1/26 at 3:59 pm to DonJuanDaMiles
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People pursuing their human drive to love, which they cannot control or choose,
Pedophiles cannot control their sexual urges either. Should we celebrate them pursuing their human drive to love…
With alphabet pridesters It’s about fricking and getting off having others be forced to celebrate their fetishes (including drag queens), paraphilia (including Autogynephilia), and mental illness (including trans and non-binaries).
The most “normal” homosexuals I know in some capacity do not celebrate pride month.
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Watching another man kiss another man is just as bad as having to watch Germans starve, torture, imprison, experiment on, etc an innocent group of people.
It does feel like one is assaulting the other or with tv gay sex scenes seems like rape. Same men like to push experimenting on kids. It doesn’t go as far out as imprisoning (non-sexual imprisoning) or murdering, but it’s still pretty bad and not normal or natural.
Homosexuality was not part of creation or the successful evolution of the human species thru reproduction. You wouldn’t exist without the designed or the evolved manner to have sex and reproduction.
Your welcome…
Posted on 6/1/26 at 3:59 pm to Joshjrn
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Depends dramatically on who you ask, I would imagine.
No, rights don't depend on "who you ask." If they do, they aren't rights at all.
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I imagine many religious people would say they have “the right” to talk someone else’s child about religion, even without the direct permission of the child’s parent.
My conclusion is that you are talking out of your arse on this whole thread. I'm a religious person and neither I nor any religious person I know would say that.
And I am even more confident that no religious person I know would say that teachers at public schools have the right to recruit students into religious extracurricular groups while advising them not to tell their parents.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 4:09 pm to T1gerNate
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I had a visceral reaction to it and I ran over and took them away and said “we don’t do that. We don’t celebrate that.”
Posted on 6/1/26 at 4:12 pm to DonJuanDaMiles
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What does it say? Let he who have no sin cast the first stone, unless they’re gay? Love one another as I have loved you, unless they’re gay? I mean, one of those is like the 1 singular thing you’re supposed to do as a Christian and follower of the Word in the New Testament.
Jesus also said, “Your sins are forgiven, go, and sin no more.”
Posted on 6/1/26 at 4:25 pm to Joshjrn
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Let’s cut through the semantics
All I can do is respond to what you say. if you aren't being clear enough, that's on you.
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Is it your perception and belief that the majority of adherents to Abrahamic religions in the United States don’t teach their children that homosexuality is deviant/sinful/an abomination?
First of all, it is not just my perception, but there is good data on the fact that the vast majority of Americans who claim to be an adherent of an Abrahamic religion do not actually believe in the tenets of the religion.
I know the most about Christians and general data, so I'll stick to that. Data varies some according to the source, but here's some:
2/3s of Americans now self-identify as Christians. However...
Only 53% of self-described Christians even believe in the God of the Bible.
92% of Americans (according to the data) subscribe to syncretism, meaning that they pick and choose beliefs buffet style from whatever religion or philosophy appeals to them.
Only 4% of Americans believe in the core tenets of Christianity. (source: Arizona Christian University)
55% of born-again Christians say they worship the God of the Bible, while 25% admit to not worshipping Jesus at all.
31% of born-again Christians say they worship Jesus but not God.
7% report worshipping both Christian deities and spiritual figures from non-Christian traditions.
21% either worship spiritual entities beyond God and Jesus or claim not to worship any deity at all.
These are self-identifying Christians.
And here's the one directly relevant to your claim: Pew says that 54% of American Christians say that homosexuality should be accepted, rather than discouraged, by society.
And that was 11 years ago. It's doubtless higher now.
So no. The data doesn't support your claim.
But even if it did, you still haven't addressed the point. The point is that you don't just have the right, you have the responsibility—and in fact it is your very job as a parent, second only to providing food, shelter, and safety—to teach your child the values you believe in.
It's not anyone else's job to teach your children their values.
The main problem here isn't that you are wrong about American "Christians" and what they believe. It's the obviously false premise that you teaching your children values and someone else teaching your children values that you do not agree with are morally equivalent when they obviously aren't.
This post was edited on 6/1/26 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 6/1/26 at 4:26 pm to wackatimesthree
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My conclusion is that you are talking out of your arse on this whole thread. I'm a religious person and neither I nor any religious person I know would say that. And I am even more confident that no religious person I know would say that teachers at public schools have the right to recruit students into religious extracurricular groups while advising them not to tell their parents.
Considering your insistence on once again bringing up institutions, my conclusion is that you either struggle with reading comprehension or you’re being intentionally obtuse.
Let’s cut through the semantics even more: when a parent teaches their child the tenants of the parent’s religion, do you consider that, by definition, to be indoctrination? You’re welcome to expound on your answer as much as you deem appropriate, but a clear yes or no would be very much appreciated
Posted on 6/1/26 at 4:31 pm to wackatimesthree
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All I can do is respond to what you say. if you aren't being clear enough, that's on you.
I’m being quite clear. I keep saying I’m not discussing institutions; you keep bringing up institutions. That’s on you.
As for the rest of your post, if your argument is that my 50/50 is wrong because more people believe homosexuality is normal than not, that’s fine. It doesn’t change my fundamental premise that the vast majority of the population wants to indoctrinate in one direction or the other. Address my previous post, if you would, and we can go from there if need be
This post was edited on 6/1/26 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 6/1/26 at 4:31 pm to Joshjrn
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Considering your insistence on once again bringing up institutions, my conclusion is that you either struggle with reading comprehension or you’re being intentionally obtuse.
One of us does/is, but it's not me.
You know exactly why institutionalizing the indoctrination is relevant.
Because of what I just typed above. It's one thing to indoctrinate (and we both know why—despite your bullshite accusation that I am the one stuck on semantics instead of you—you insist on that word) your own children. That's your job as a parent.
It's not appropriate for someone else to be indoctrinating your children. And if it's institutionalized, that's what is happening.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 4:33 pm to Joshjrn
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I keep saying I’m not discussing institutions
Yes, we both know you are avoiding discussing institutions.
And we both know why.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 4:33 pm to SUB
Posted on 6/1/26 at 4:34 pm to Joshjrn
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It doesn’t change my fundamental premise that the vast majority of the population wants to indoctrinate in one direction or the other.
Of course it does, by definition.
You are so desperate to frame these scenarios as moral equivalents you can't stand it.
This post was edited on 6/1/26 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 6/1/26 at 4:39 pm to wackatimesthree
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One of us does/is, but it's not me. You know exactly why institutionalizing the indoctrination is relevant. Because of what I just typed above. It's one thing to indoctrinate (and we both know why—despite your bullshite accusation that I am the one stuck on semantics instead of you—you insist on that word) your own children. That's your job as a parent. It's not appropriate for someone else to be indoctrinating your children. And if it's institutionalized, that's what is happening.
Great, then we agree: both sides want to indoctrinate children into their belief regarding homosexuality. Both sides don’t want the other side counter-indoctrinating children. Go back and read my posts again. At no point did I claim that people who are anti-homosexuality wanted to use public institutions to indoctrinate anyone. At no point did I defend people who are pro-homosexuality using public institutions to indoctrinate anyone. That’s a windmill you built all on your own to tilt at. I said everyone wants to indoctrinate children on the subject one way or the other, and it looks as though you agree with me on that point. When, where, and how that indoctrination should occur is a potentially related, but separate, discussion
Posted on 6/1/26 at 4:45 pm to Joshjrn
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What right do "other people" have to indoctrinate his children to anything?
Depends dramatically on who you ask, I would imagine. Further, I imagine answers would depend on subject matter. For example, I imagine many religious people would say they have “the right” to talk someone else’s child about religion, even without the direct permission of the child’s parent.
Do you considered talking about religion to be the same as indoctrination? A clear yes or no would be very much appreciated…
Also, what some believe is a right doesn’t make it a true right. The poster was asking what actual right do others have to indoctrinate the OP’s kid. You either have an answer or you don’t, and going on tangents isnt an answer.
You kind of attacked a straw man in your response counselor.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 4:48 pm to T1gerNate
I would say they should classify this under sexuality and any minors should only take with the permission of their parents. It iant my place to hand your daughter a hooters uniform juat like it isnt their place to hand them any thing related to "pride"
Posted on 6/1/26 at 4:54 pm to dallastigers
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Do you considered talking about religion to be the same as indoctrination? A clear yes or no would be very much appreciated…
“Talking about” is vague. If I say “Muslims believe Mohammad is the greatest prophet and that the Qur’an is the literal word of god”, that’s not an attempt at indoctrination. If I say “Mohammad is the greatest prophet and the Qur’an is the literal word of god”, then that would potentially be an attempt at indoctrination, depending on the context.
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Also, what some believe is a right doesn’t make it a true right. The poster was asking what actual right do others have to indoctrinate the OP’s kid. You either have an answer or you don’t, and going on tangents isnt an answer. You kind of attacked a straw man in your response counselor.
That’s ridiculous. For example, I certainly have the Constitutional right to attempt to indoctrinate any child I see in public as to any subject that isn’t considered illegal. Politics, religion, that the Dallas Cowboys are pathetic? 100% have the legal right in this country to do so. Do I have the moral right? I imagine reasonable people might disagree.
Except as to the Cowboys, because frick ‘em
Posted on 6/1/26 at 5:02 pm to jmarto1
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I would say they should classify this under sexuality and any minors should only take with the permission of their parents. It iant my place to hand your daughter a hooters uniform juat like it isnt their place to hand them any thing related to "pride"
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Posted on 6/1/26 at 5:26 pm to dallastigers
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The most “normal” homosexuals I know in some capacity do not celebrate pride month.
I’m sure you have your finger on the pulse of all things homosexual. My experience living amongst the gays in San Diego is that they all celebrate it. They may not all go gay Mardi Gras, but they celebrate and support each other. I was a marketing director at a company that sponsored pride in SD and it wasn’t my scene, but it also wasn’t what I thought it would be.
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Homosexuality was not part of creation or the successful evolution of the human species thru reproduction. You wouldn’t exist without the designed or the evolved manner to have sex and reproduction.
Uh yeah it is. People have been gay forever and we have not evolved out of it. There’s even gay animals. A regular big gay Al theme park that is naturally occurring. God doesn’t make mistakes, right? So, are they not a part of his plan either? Nature and God have made gays regardless of what you believe.
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Same men like to push experimenting on kids. It doesn’t go as far out as imprisoning (non-sexual imprisoning) or murdering, but it’s still pretty bad and not normal or natural.
I can only assume you mean some men. So what? There are daily teacher sleeps with student threads on the OT. Does that make all heterosexuals deviants. You’re not coming off as very intelligent and you’re supposed to be a lawyer, right? Pretty shitty at making arguments.
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Your welcome…
You’re not much better at grammar, are you?
Posted on 6/1/26 at 5:27 pm to Philzilla2k
Jesus also said, “Your sins are forgiven, go, and sin no more.
And? Literally every single person continues to sin. That’s the point.
And? Literally every single person continues to sin. That’s the point.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 5:49 pm to T1gerNate
What goes on behind closed doors in private and other such bullshite.
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