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re: powerball odds - help me win my argument - posted pg 8

Posted on 1/11/16 at 7:25 pm to
Posted by MorgusTheMagnificent
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 7:25 pm to
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Some people claim that playing the same numbers every week over the course of your life will help you to win the powerball because the variable of what numbers you will have does not change every week.


Above is not true; think of it like this - let's say you flip a coin 99 times and it lands on tails every time.... The odds getting heads on the 100th flip are still 50/50.
Posted by Saintsisit
Member since Jan 2013
5060 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 7:37 pm to
I've been playing the same numbers for 23 years and ain't won shite, so there ya go. And being I know them by heart I can NEVER stop playing them.
Posted by tigersint
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 7:37 pm to
Yes. I know thats true. I always argue with my friend about it who is also studying engineering and is a "math guy" , so i can not understand why he can not agree with me on the correct answer of all the odds being the same no matter what.



He claims that over a long period of time it adds an extra X variable if you change you numbers every week and the variables which is simply not true.

This post was edited on 1/11/16 at 7:51 pm
Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 7:43 pm to
The odd are so astronomically high there is little use in even talking about any scenarios.
Posted by tigersint
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 7:49 pm to
I think that i will pick some numbers to play every time tho, that way i wont have to check my ticket every time.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 7:53 pm to
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He claims that over a long period of time it adds an extra X variable if you change you numbers every week and the variables which is simply not true.
Pathological gamblers are more vulnerable to the illusion of control in a standard associative learning task
Is your friend a pathological gambler?
This post was edited on 1/11/16 at 7:56 pm
Posted by threeputt
God's Country
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 7:56 pm to
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Some people claim that playing the same numbers every week over the course of your life will help you to win the powerball because the variable of what numbers you will have does not change every week.


Casinos are built by people like this
Posted by tigersint
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2012
3568 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 7:59 pm to
quote:

quote: He claims that over a long period of time it adds an extra X variable if you change you numbers every week and the variables which is simply not true. Pathological gamblers are more vulnerable to the illusion of control in a standard associative learning taskIs your friend a pathological gambler?





No he does not gamble. He is just trying to relate things that we leadned in school about "depent and independent" variables i guess.


I also looked it up online to try and show him he was not correct and i came across a guy with a PHD statistics who claimed to argue his way. No idea how he could have been arguing it, but my onky guess could be that with such astronomical odds maybe something is affected if the PHD student said so as well.


In my opinion the odds are unaffected and in the comments everyone called the PHD student an idiot in the comments, so ill stick to my argument.
This post was edited on 1/11/16 at 8:03 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35373 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 8:11 pm to
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so ill stick to my argument
Good.

I mean I guess although highly unlikely, in theory, there could be some variables that have an infinitesimal impact on the probability (paint on the balls). But whatever impacts the probability, our consistency of choosing numbers is not one of then.
Posted by threeputt
God's Country
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 1/11/16 at 8:22 pm to
Yeah ... I started like a 50 page thread that has since been locked a few years block about something on the tv show deal or no deal that was similar..

Basically the contestant is faced with 30 boxes at the beginning of the show and his goal is to pick the one with 1 million dollars ... So he has a 1/30 chance of picking right or a 29/30 chance of picking wrong ... The contestant goes through the show eliminating one box at a time .. At the end there are only his box and one box on the stage left ---- should he switch ... I said of course (and had a ton of people agreeing with me) .. Although in my heart I still think I was right some phd came in the thread and showed me the math to say in made zero difference
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
19309 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 8:29 pm to
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I always argue with my friend about it who is also studying engineering and is a "math guy" , so i can not understand why he can not agree with me on the correct answer of all the odds being the same no matter what.


Man, that's really annoying. Each drawing is separate from the other. It's just as likely to draw the same exact numbers Wednesday as it did on Saturday than it is to draw any other combination.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35373 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 8:31 pm to
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I said of course (and had a ton of people agreeing with me) .. Although in my heart I still think I was right some phd came in the thread and showed me the math to say in made zero difference
Well it sounds similar to the "Let's Make a Deal Scenario" but that was under the assumption that a door was shown that was known to be empty. In this scenario, I guess the cases shown are randomly, not intentionally, shown, right?
Posted by Tortious
ATX
Member since Nov 2010
5653 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 8:40 pm to
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Odds aren't good to win. They're like 1 in 16.


You're stupid. Everyone knows power play makes it close to 50/50.
Posted by GeauxTigers1996
New Orleans
Member since May 2014
86 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 8:44 pm to
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What is your opinion on this.


I think you may have a little too much free time.
Posted by threeputt
God's Country
Member since Sep 2008
24796 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 9:24 pm to
Correct. The Monty Hall rule doesn't apply because the winning box is never made known before hand .,,

But to me after the contestant makes his initial selection there are two groups ... Group one is the contestants box and group two is the other 29 boxes ... The odds that the million is in the contestants box (or group one) is 1/30 .. Odds that the million is in group two is 29/30. To me, it doesn't matter how many boxes you remove or not from group two - the odds are still 29/30 that the million is in that group

Posted by DBU
Member since Mar 2014
19059 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 9:25 pm to
The odds don't change unless you buy more tickets for that specific drawing. If you buy 1 ticket, it doesn't matter what numbers you've chosen the last 1,000 times you've bought a ticket.
Posted by tigersint
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2012
3568 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 10:03 pm to
quote:

Basically the contestant is faced with 30 boxes at the beginning of the show and his goal is to pick the one with 1 million dollars ... So he has a 1/30 chance of picking right or a 29/30 chance of picking wrong ... The contestant goes through the show eliminating one box at a time .. At the end there are only his box and one box on the stage left ---- should he switch ... I said of course (and had a ton of people agreeing with me) .. Although in my heart I still think I was right some phd came in the thread and showed me the math to say in made zero difference




There is a case where if you have 3 doors (1 with 1 million dollars, 2 with nothing) and you chose door number 1 and you are shown one of the doors (say door number 2) that has 0$ in it you should switch to the other door.

This is because you had a 33% chance at the beginning, but now there is at least a 50% chance that door number 3 has the million, while door number 1 still has a 33% chance of having the million.

But i think with deal or nondeal it is different because you are now shown one of the bad cases without having to make a choice. Not sure tho.



Any chance you could find the link to that thread? I would like to read it.
Posted by tigersint
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2012
3568 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 10:05 pm to
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quote: What is your opinion on this. I think you may have a little too much free time.




Yep. Had alot of free time sitting in the hunting blind not seeing any deer.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26406 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 10:10 pm to
quote:

Many people argue about powerball odds - your opinion

Any person's chances of winning the Powerball are pretty much the same regardless of whether or not they buy a ticket.
This post was edited on 1/11/16 at 10:12 pm
Posted by threeputt
God's Country
Member since Sep 2008
24796 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 10:12 pm to
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I would like to read it



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