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re: Portable generator safety?

Posted on 8/23/25 at 9:34 am to
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
48637 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 9:34 am to
Some people in here are over complicating this. I see zero issues with what this lady has planned. I never take my big portable generator out of my shed. When I need it I just open the doors and put close to the doors with the exhaust facing out. My shed is roughly 50 feet away and I have a 220 plug in my shed. I just turn off the main breaker on my house, then plug up the generator and let it back feed to my house, works great been doing it for storms for years. As far as natural gas you can go to Napa and they can make up a flex hose with the proper fittings for the set up. I saw a guy run a generator once time using a garden hose. I wouldn’t recommend doing that, normally but it worked fine because there isn’t much pressure.
This post was edited on 8/23/25 at 9:35 am
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12328 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 9:38 am to
Im not sure how clean the exhaust is on natural gas. if it were running diesel or gasoline, I would seriously worry about it. I would personally wall it off with some exhaust fans that come on with it that would draw everything outside the garage. In the event of a hurricane, you don't want to leave your garage door open, you would want to close it up and open it after the storm has passed.
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
2823 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 9:45 am to
Depending on what she needs to power, there are better options. For less than $1000 (and possibly less than $500) you can get a solar generator that will power your fridge etc. You can use the gas generator to charge it during the day in less than 2 hours, and the solar generator can run things overnight. The solar generator will allow power draws as needed, vs a gas generator that will run constantly.
Posted by Whatafrekinchessiebr
somewhere down river
Member since Nov 2013
1678 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 9:53 am to
quote:

For less than $1000 (and possibly less than $500) you can get a solar generator that will power your fridge etc


Link to this “solar generator” that costs less than $500 and can power a house for 22hrs a day.
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11000 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:00 am to
quote:

Why not just put it outside?


Because people had their generators stolen (even from balconies on the third floor) in Kenner after Katrina.

And this is the problem with combustion. Can't have them inside, afraid to leave them outside. (We had friends almost die from CD on their boat; two of the four ended up in bariatric chamber in Chattanooga. the other two survived possibly because their smoking habit accustomed them to lower oxygen levels.)

What we have done is put a pad for the big generator outside, where it's not visible from the street a tenth of a mile away, and we only wheel the generator out when the power co can't tell us when we'll get power restored.

That she will be hardwired into the gas line makes our solution impossible. CO will accumulate in her garage and not be disbursed if there is no wind.

Would she know what to do if CO alarms went off?
Posted by WonPercent
BATON ROUGE
Member since Aug 2023
979 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:25 am to
If all she wanted to run was a window unit, some fans, the freezer and a few other things.........she should've went with the Honda portable model. Quiet AF and gonna start on the 1st or 2nd pull every time. They're perfect for tailgates too.


Posted by farad
Member since Dec 2013
12166 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 12:03 pm to
quote:

elderly neighbor


should have a 220 outlet near where the generator is going to be and a transfer switch OR be able to shut the power off coming from the pwr company so as not to backfeed onto de-energized line and hurt someone...

basically what Skeeterzx190 said...
Posted by Traveler
I'm not late-I'm early for tomorrow
Member since Sep 2003
26064 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

elderly neighbor
quote:

She


This is the part I would have a concern over.
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
60153 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 12:08 pm to
quote:

Explain how flex pipe flows gas differently than plastic pipe.



PE gas pipe is a lot smoother internally than any other pipe used to carry gas, so it, in fact, does flow better. However, that is not my point…most generators won’t run on the pressure that is typically delivered to a house. The capacity and pressure of the gas utility’s service regulator needs to be examined.
This post was edited on 8/23/25 at 3:51 pm
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
2823 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

Link to this “solar generator” that costs less than $500 and can power a house for 22hrs a day.


Here you go sport less than$1k LINK
C1000 is $449 and can easily run a fridge all night
This post was edited on 8/23/25 at 1:42 pm
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52877 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 1:45 pm to
Are the lubricants used from Smitty’s?
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52877 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 1:49 pm to
quote:

C1000 is $449 and can easily run a fridge all night


A single fridge, no other power draw, and literally just the night. Not even a day and a night. I get where you are coming from with letting it load shift your generator usage….but most won’t do so much effort to such a limited application.
This post was edited on 8/23/25 at 1:51 pm
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
15144 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 1:53 pm to
I do it and run a 4 ton air conditioner

now I always run it in open space and not in a garage
This post was edited on 8/23/25 at 1:56 pm
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
13095 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 3:44 pm to
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My elderly neighbor is planning on setting up her portable home generator using natural gas in her detached garage in the event of a hurricane. The garage is about 50 feet from her house and she will leave the door partially open for ventilation. She’s having someone come out to set up a flexible gas hose to run from her house,and extra long extension cords to her panel box. I’m concerned that this is not a good idea, can someone assure me that this is safe?



A flexible hose may reduce the flow of exhaust and drop the HP rating and current output of the generator. I have a "pipe" I use with our RV to get the exhaust away from the camper at night and at times it drops the output of the 4500 watt generator to a point where the AC will not cycle. It has never not cycled without the pipe.

More concerning is the distance. If it is 50 feet from the house even if the load is exactly 50 feet from the generator the voltage drop with a 1500 watt load at 120 volts (coffee pot for example) and 14 gauge copper wire (typical drop cord) would be about 3%. That is the minimum allowable VD on a branch circuit. If she is considering tying the generator into the main breaker and back feeding loads as needed the voltage drop from the generator to say a condensing unit is probably not going to be enough voltage to start the compressor...the distance will be the 50 feet from the garage plus whatever distance the conductors in the house run from the panel to the unit. It'd be fine for lights but anything like a freezer or an AC unit the VD may be such that the compressors can't start or cycle...

I back fed our house with a 8000 watt contractor generator last year after Helene with a parrallel run of 14/2 with a ground romex about 3 feet long...tied it into the hot tub circuit and back fed the panel and switched loads as needed with circuit breakers. Not ideal but I had the romex and it was hotter than hell LOL. Could run one AC unit at a time and could turn things off to use the burners on the stove...did not try the oven. Gas water heater. At times that romex would be warm to the touch. We have 3 AC units - 2 5 ton and 1 3 ton. When the big ones cycled the generator would grunt and the lights would flicker but it never tripped a breaker. If I had had some #10 or #8 copper I doubt if the lights would have flickered. VD is a concern. It will also damage high current loads over time.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
13095 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 3:47 pm to
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My biggest concern is thst you have to pipe the exhaust somewhere. You can’t just let it blow in the same room as the generator, because exhaust doesn’t contain oxygen and the generator has to have air (20%) oxygen to run on.



Most modern gas portable generators have a carbon dioxide sensor that will shut them down. Ours was set up between one side of our garage and our shadow box fence, outdoors, and without a box fan blowing on the generator if the wind wasn't blowing noticeably it would shut down. I should have over rode the sensor but it was HOT as hell and I was spending most of my time shuttling gasoline to the damned generator....
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
13095 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 3:50 pm to
quote:

Explain how flex pipe flows gas differently than plastic pipe.


Smoother. The coil of wire that makes hoses flexible, if its like a drier vent hose, cause an eddy effect like a stump in a river....
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
2358 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 4:00 pm to
I don't run mine in a garage. I have a tailgating tent I'll throw over it to protect from rain if it's not windy. Gas pressure is an issue. I have a 25' hose that connects to a quick connect at the very opposite end of the gas line run across my house. It still works running an 11kw generator powering everything but the downstairs AC. No adjustments to the gas meter. I would bet I'm pushing my luck in gas pressure though.
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