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re: Pope Francis: It is the Christian ideal to have a universal basic wage to protect workers
Posted on 4/13/20 at 9:47 am to lsusa
Posted on 4/13/20 at 9:47 am to lsusa
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The “minimum wage” should provide a minimum standard of living. No more, no less.
The minimum wage provides for a minimum life. Problem is people live more expensive than they earn.
You want more than the minimum you must apply yourself.
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 9:49 am to Sneaky__Sally
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I was just pointing out that the hyper inflation argument does not necessarily apply to well thought out UBI proposal.
Let's assume that this is correct at face value.
You think government is capable of doing anything in a well-thought out manner?
Bless your heart.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 10:00 am to TigerstuckinMS
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I was just pointing out that the hyper inflation argument does not necessarily apply to well thought out UBI proposal.
Let's assume that this is correct at face value.
You think government is capable of doing anything in a well-thought out manner?
Bless your heart.
Depends on who is leading it, but in large part I don't
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:16 am to theenemy
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The minimum wage provides for a minimum life.
No. Assets and support are what provide a life.
This is why a 17 year old who lives at home can have a great life with a minimum wage job, while a 28 year old with two kids and no other support will struggle mightily.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:28 am to theenemy
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The minimum wage provides for a minimum life. Problem is people live more expensive than they earn.
You want more than the minimum you must apply yourself.
Any adult that's earning minimum wage is lucky to be employed at all.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:32 am to Sneaky__Sally
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(1) a 10% Value Added Tax
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(3) increased tax revenues as the money circulates through the economy
These two contradict each other. An increase in the cost of goods will lower the amount of goods sold. This isn't even up for debate.
quote:For this to happen, UBI would have to be higher than a person would receive from Section 8 housing, SNAP, unemployment. Not even going to count social security / disability. How much UBI you planning to give out?
(2) reduced costs of existing social programs as UBI would have been opt in
quote:How? Magic fairy dust? We have seen what happens to higher ed when the gov steps in to give people a bottomless wallet..
(4) decreased costs associated with child healthcare
quote:Negligible
carbon tax
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 11:34 am
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:33 am to Bench McElroy
This Pope needs to go straight to hell.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:51 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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(1) a 10% Value Added Tax
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(3) increased tax revenues as the money circulates through the economy
These two contradict each other. An increase in the cost of goods will lower the amount of goods sold. This isn't even up for debate.
Except you are forgetting about the fact that people have $1,000 per month in this proposal which will circulate through the economy and (hopefully IMO) local businesses. There are studies which analyze this, I think from the Roosevelt Institute, if the general principles aren't self evident to you.
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(2) reduced costs of existing social programs as UBI would have been opt in
For this to happen, UBI would have to be higher than a person would receive from Section 8 housing, SNAP, unemployment. Not even going to count social security / disability. How much UBI you planning to give out?
$1,000 per month "Freedom Dividend" is the UBI proposal I am referencing. The proposal was opt-in, where people could forego their current benefits and take $1,000 no questions asked or remain on their current benefits. It would stack with certain programs, they put out specifics on which. So yes, some portion of our existing spending on social programs would be diverted into funding the dividend.
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(4) decreased costs associated with child healthcare
How? Magic fairy dust? We have seen what happens to higher ed when the gov steps in to give people a bottomless wallet..
This is mainly surmised from Alaska and the impact of the Petroleum Dividend. The following two links indicate that this sort of program has helped reduce childhood obesity. There are other looks at healthcare costs seen in Alaska that indicate that money put into childhood homes results in healthier children and thus reduced healthcare costs.
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carbon tax
Negligible
Yes, those other smaller taxes make up a very small amount of the money needed to fund this proposal.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:11 pm to LSUFanHouston
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This is why a 17 year old who lives at home can have a great life with a minimum wage job, while a 28 year old with two kids and no other support will struggle mightily.
The 17 year old starts at the minimum and applies himself and works to a wage where he can move out and support himself then continues to apply himself to where he can support a family.
A 28 year old on minimum wage has not worked his way up and shouldn't have kids. That is poor life decisions.
At 28 and on minimum wage he should be living minimally....no kids and money going to essentials, not luxuries. Hr needs to better apply himself and better himself job and wage wise....not just expect mandated living wage. He wants the luxuries....then earn it.
This is the problem....people want the luxuries with out applying themselves and earning them.
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:19 pm to Bench McElroy
Well of course he'd say this- he's a socialist ex-bouncer from Argentina.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:34 pm to Bench McElroy
Socialist scum.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:37 pm to Bench McElroy
It’s incredible to me that Catholicism is still a thing.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:37 pm to YouAre8Up
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This Pope needs to go straight to hell.
I am as capitalist as they come, but to claim a pope needs to go to Hell because he is advocating that governments pay the poor and the homeless is something straight out of Hell itself.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:40 pm to Manzielathon
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It’s incredible to me that Catholicism is still a thing.
It really is. Which goes back to the Gospel of Matthew when Christ founded the Catholic Church. He tells Peter, its first leader, that the gates of hell shall never prevail against it.
The fact that the Catholic Church survives in this era proves that Christ was who He said He was.
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