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Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:41 pm to Topwater Trout
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lets review... 1. cops get call of a man stopped in hwy 2. female officer says subject is not complying 3. more cops are sent 4. cops taser the man (not sure if this is fact) 5. man still isn't following orders of 4 cops with guns 6. man goes for his truck and gets shot 7. man had pcp in truck and actions seem to support he was wet 8. the guy has a long rap sheet?? Is this correct? if so we have definitely found our new BLM poster child
Didn't watch the video yet, but if this is true this is the MO for the typical "saint" that was a great father and turning his life around.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:41 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:We are in the context of this discussion...when we're talking about a copy infringing on your freedoms and specifically to the point I made, when he becomes irrational and you feel he may do something harmful if you continue to stand up for yourself. No?
Are we equating criminals with those with shields and service weapons?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:42 pm to Topwater Trout
you forgot that he was running around the highway saying his car was about to explode
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:43 pm to Topwater Trout
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Is this correct?
According to the Tulsa World, the taser and the gun were shot at almost the same time. Also, I don't believe he had a criminal record.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:47 pm to Topwater Trout
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lets review... 1. cops get call of a man stopped in hwy 2. female officer says subject is not complying 3. more cops are sent 4. cops taser the man (not sure if this is fact) 5. man still isn't following orders of 4 cops with guns 6. man goes for his truck and gets shot 7. man had pcp in truck and actions seem to support he was wet 8. the guy has a long rap sheet?? Is this correct? if so we have definitely found our new BLM poster child
Not the facts as we know the at this point at all. You'll convince a few he was tazed and just Hulked through it being "wet", but they didn't taze him prior to being shot.
We know your post history on these topics so go ahead and get it over with.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:48 pm to Topwater Trout
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many here think they are one and the same...right?
Even I don't think they are one in the same. Instances where you can't tell the difference is when I have a problem.
Law abiding citizens shouldn't fear the people "protecting" them. A free society shouldn't have to feel like they are getting robbed everytime they get pulled over, or they might die because a police officer is present. Ironically with civil asset forfeiture people get their property stolen by police everyday without conviction, but that's another whole topic.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:48 pm to Sao
I don't know yet if I'd call this murder, but there's one thing I'm certain of: the twitterers are murdering the spelling of his #TerenceCrutcher hashname on the internets.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:49 pm to LSUBham
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Also, I don't believe he had a criminal record.
Drug trafficking and some alcohol and vehicle related stuff.
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:52 pm to LSUBham
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I'm just wondering if this could have been avoided had she had more training.
How in the frick is "more training" going to help with a non-compliant suspect?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:53 pm to Five0
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Graham v Connor:
I actually quoted this earlier in the thread
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Lamont v. State of New Jersey, 2011 U.S. App. LEXIS 4104, March 4, 2011
An officer who uses deadly force in the mistaken belief that a suspect is armed will be forgiven as long as the mistake is reasonable and the circumstances otherwise justify the use of such force.
Knowing what we know now, could someone make a reasonable argument that he was a danger to someone else? Does simply being high constitute a life threatening condition? Also, if the window was rolled up and the officer claims he was reaching through it, I suspect she might have a problem.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:55 pm to Topwater Trout
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surviving is more important than challenging someone that could kill you for nothing
You fight cops in a courtroom with an attorney. Preferably one with experience with law enforcement training and tactics that can articulate what went wrong and can also bring in experts. I know a guy. ;-)
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:56 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Also, if the window was rolled up
Do we know this? It looked like he reached into the window on the video but it's hard to tell.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:58 pm to The Pirate King
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if this is true this is the MO for the typical "saint" that was a great father and turning his life around.
Yep it is comical at this point
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:59 pm to UpToPar
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Do we know this? It looked like he reached into the window on the video but it's hard to tell.
Yep the drivers side window is rolled all the way up. The sun roof is open I think, but they weren't talking about the sunroof in the first place.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:59 pm to Five0
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You have to get training for any tool you use in this line of work because everyone MMQBs any and everything we do
im guessing if the gut instinct was to write:
"you have to get training because you always want to get it right when dealing with the publics safety"
things would be a little less tense between community and police.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:59 pm to idlewatcher
quote:Wait, what? More training is used quite literally to help with non-compliant suspects.
How in the frick is "more training" going to help with a non-compliant suspect?
LINK
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As Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings noted Thursday night, “This police department trained in de-escalation far before cities across America did it. We’re one of the premier community policing cities in the country, and this year we have the fewest police officer-related shootings than any large city in America.”
Indeed, the results speak for themselves. In 2012, police shot 23 people. By 2015, the number had fallen to 11. This year, it’s at one. In addition, arrests are way down, excessive force complaints have declined, and the city’s murder rate has fallen as well.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 4:00 pm to idlewatcher
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How in the frick is "more training" going to help with a non-compliant suspect?
wouldnt that be precisely the description of a situation that training would be most critical in?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 4:00 pm to UpToPar
It's known it was rolled up. Keep an eye oen for the deceased's lawyer presser and his enlarged death photo. It's cut and dry she lied to her chief and attorney.
Edit: BTW, it's now come out she had a tazer was trained to use it and did not choose to.
Edit: BTW, it's now come out she had a tazer was trained to use it and did not choose to.
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 9/20/16 at 4:03 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Does simply being high constitute a life threatening condition?
High sitting on the ground, on your porch, at a Widespread show? No. Claiming your vehicle will explode and moving to get back in it to potentially drive away? Very possible. There is no set in stone determination. The individual incidents are fact dependent. The officers' actions are judged on what they perceived in the moment and not by the facts learned later.
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